The Forge needs more balance

Discussion in 'The Red Room' started by Jan Jansen, Jun 18, 2010.

  1. Jamey Whistler

    Jamey Whistler Éminence grise

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    Plenty of times she just makes shit up, and does some flinging of her own, proving out the second sentence.

    This.

    And as a rule, Alpha, Raoul, tafkats and Packard are inclined to engage actual debate, and rarely engage in shit-flinging.
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  2. Uncle Albert

    Uncle Albert Part beard. Part machine.

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    I find it quite easy, actually. I pay about as much attention to her as I do Baba, anymore.
  3. Lanzman

    Lanzman Vast, Cool and Unsympathetic Formerly Important

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    It's probably an inevitable development. Much like The Neutral Zone at Trek has descended into left-wing la-la land, Wordforge has become increasingly right (or libertarian perhaps) leaning because the balance tipped in that direction at some point and gradually the left-leaners became tired of being the minority and went in search of an echo chamber of their own. Most of us now regular here agree with one another to a large degree. There are a few trolls espousing opposing views just to be trollish, a few remaining lefties who have gotten trollish almost as a defense mechanism, and one or two lefties who can still string together a reasoned position. At TNZ, same deal the other way around.
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  4. Diacanu

    Diacanu Comicmike. Writer

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  5. Nocturne of Vladimir Jazz

    Nocturne of Vladimir Jazz And Hell's comin' with me!

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    The difference is wanting to be left alone versus sticking your ass in everyone else's finances.
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  6. Diacanu

    Diacanu Comicmike. Writer

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    It's the balkanization!
    It finally came!
    :polarslam2:

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  7. Diacanu

    Diacanu Comicmike. Writer

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    Trust bust the banks!
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  8. Dan Leach

    Dan Leach Climbing Staff Member Moderator

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    And the mad thing is, they both have the same strange behaviour.
    The left at TNZ manifest themselves by a hatred of the right. They dont seem to act like they are on the left, or support anyone or thing that is on the left, they just attack the right.

    And its the same here with the right, they dont seem to like or support the right in anyway, they just like hating the left..... some almost obsessively so.
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  9. Paladin

    Paladin Overjoyed Man of Liberty

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    Duality: it takes two to tangle.
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  10. Delaware

    Delaware Fresh Meat Deceased Member

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    Republicans hardly leave us alone when they're elected. Stealing one kind of social freedom (economic) is just as bad as stealing another (liberties), and both teams (red and blue) will generally do both anyway. Again, what's the qualitative difference? You're both awful.
  11. garamet

    garamet "The whole world is watching."

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    Well, the Baboon Brigade has been thinning out lately, so it's a bit possible for the Grupps to engage in actual discussion occasionally.

    But as long as the only way to be accepted at WF is to first run the gauntlet of "Who's dual are you? :rant:" and then learn the patois and the secret codes and the in-jokes and tolerate the endless repetition of tired Special WF memes, most potential new members of any stripe are likely to decide that it's too much trouble.

    But please, pulleeze don't judge all Americans by WF...
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  12. Jan Jansen

    Jan Jansen Ukraine Feline Defense Force

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    From an European point of view, WF is like a small rural American town, where all the madmen and gun lovers gather and hope for a revolution which will never take place.

    However, I STILL think that WF gives a good impression of the US today. Or perhaps just an impression of the US which I'd love to have any connection with reality... ;) Because it's fun to watch! People love clichés...

    Nah, it's just a cool BBS with lots of funny personas! :) I'll keep lurking.
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  13. e-qui-lib-ri-um

    e-qui-lib-ri-um Non-Pareto Optimal

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    The labels "leftist" and "rightist" are stereotypes by definition and really only apply ad nauseum to partisan politics here and don't really interest me at all.

    Since I have almost zero interest in politics and find politicians and our two party system to be nauseating and a lot of what is wrong with this country in general I look elsewhere on WF and find a lot of insightful, intelligent discourse on a wide array of subjects other than politics that ARE interesting (books, movies, popular media of all types, sports, technology, writing, history, gaming, mechanics of the US Constitution, gun ownership, etc.) to me.

    So as a prolific lurker here who has lurked unnoticed since 2005 or so there is a lot of interesting stuff here OTHER than politics. :techman:
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  14. Lanzman

    Lanzman Vast, Cool and Unsympathetic Formerly Important

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    Fixed that for ya. :diacanu:
  15. shootER

    shootER Insubordinate...and churlish Administrator

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    So, basically, instead of posting more yourself you're asking to be entertained?

    :muad2:
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  16. Nocturne of Vladimir Jazz

    Nocturne of Vladimir Jazz And Hell's comin' with me!

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    And the cut master strikes again. You're getting desperate.

    For those unaware, in this post, I also made the note that these personality traits aren't specific to left-leaning individuals, but that I'd found them, by comparison, more prominent in the general left public than the right. I also mentioned that these issues also apply to extreme right-leaning individuals.

    Your methods are really falling to pieces, Dicky.
  17. Delaware

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    From what I've noticed, most of the right-wingers that I've met and/or come into contact with on Wordforge have had several or all of the following characteristics:

    Palin-ite
    Alcoholic
    Redneck
    Self-righteousness
    Murderous tendencies
    Apocalyptic delusions
    Under-education
    Abrasive social behavior
    Obsessive behavior
    Mood swings
    Aggressive personality

    :marathon:

    With a few notable exceptions (hi Apostle and Dayton!) I find the majority of Wordforgers on all points of the political spectrum to be fine people on a personal level, although there are definitely some wacky, hypocritical and ignorant political stances out there.
  18. Jan Jansen

    Jan Jansen Ukraine Feline Defense Force

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    My English skills are really too poor to explain what I want to explain here on this bbs. Sad but true! Try to discuss about serious topics in German, and you get the feeling... :(

    Seriously, my language skills are just not good enough to be a regular poster here. IRL, I have never needed to use your language for several years now. I understand almost everything, but when I have to use English to make sense for others, I fail miserably. Yeah, it's a pity.
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  19. e-qui-lib-ri-um

    e-qui-lib-ri-um Non-Pareto Optimal

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    ...aaaaaaaand it's back to the sandbox for another round of muslinging, name calling and muckraking! :techman:
  20. Delaware

    Delaware Fresh Meat Deceased Member

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    From what you've exhibited in this thread and the few others I've seen you in, your English skills are definitely up to par. Post more often; they'll only improve further. :)
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  21. shootER

    shootER Insubordinate...and churlish Administrator

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    This.

    If you don't contribute, then you don't have right to complain (which is what the original post sounded like).
  22. Nocturne of Vladimir Jazz

    Nocturne of Vladimir Jazz And Hell's comin' with me!

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    Can't argue with many of them, but I would write of the Palin-ite and apocalyptic delusions to the more extremists. Fox News isn't the voice of the right, as much as lefties love to believe. The extremists are the ones that are trying to widen their target victims by shoving them in a box with the media personalities that claim to be a voice of their party or wing.

    I wouldn't lump the liberals in with Bill Mahr. That's just cruel and unfair.
  23. Diacanu

    Diacanu Comicmike. Writer

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    I didn't say that, did I?

    The point was, you calling people "elitist", while having your own nose several yards up in the air.

    Wouldn't have thought one would need a decoder ring for that, but...:shrug:
  24. Jan Jansen

    Jan Jansen Ukraine Feline Defense Force

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    I complain from a lurker's perspective. Do not underestimate the lurkers here. We are many.... We are Legion!

    But you are right. I should contribute more often. But it's so damned hard to make a point when you're not able to speak the English language properly without sounding like a retard. And the topics discussed here are often complicated and profound. I'm not like some other "foreigners" who are masters of your language, like Packard.
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  25. Dan Leach

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    Then post in German and we can use babelfish or Packard to translate :)
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  26. Ash

    Ash how 'bout a kiss?

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    You speak (or at least type) English better than a lot of posters here. Besides, the one thing all Wordforgers have in common is that we have all shown our asses more than once. I say go ahead and dive in.
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  27. Jan Jansen

    Jan Jansen Ukraine Feline Defense Force

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    Fick dich du jämmerlicher Vertreter einer noch jämmerlicheren Fussballnation, ihr habt keine Chance an der WM und wir Schweizer oder auch die Deutschen werden euch wegputzen! :D Ihr seid geborene Verlierer! 0:0 gegen die Algerier??? Mein Gott, was seid ihr für Nullen... Schämt euch in Grund und Boden! Die ganze Fussballwelt lacht sich tot über euch.... Hahahahaha!

    ;) ;) ;)
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  28. Nocturne of Vladimir Jazz

    Nocturne of Vladimir Jazz And Hell's comin' with me!

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    Trolling with your word games doesn't make a point.

    The post didn't ostracize left-leaning individuals without giving due criticism for the more extreme right, but you clipped it to fabricate a point.

    Despite your best efforts, you haven't proven to have anything but cheap tricks. You are awarded no points.
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    You looken sharpen todayen, mine Herr.
  30. Nocturne of Vladimir Jazz

    Nocturne of Vladimir Jazz And Hell's comin' with me!

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    Not gonna lie, "jammerlicher" just sounds like an awesome word.
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