A challenge to all the JJ Trek haters

You probably spend more time online than I do, and you're doing it on a board full of TrekBBS rejects, so don't even bother trying to make the "NERD!" argument. Especially what with the power of the internet making it so terribly difficult to look up in say Memory Alpha or even just Google.

Interesting theory. However, I've been criticizing this film as a film, not as a Star Trek movie. Nice try, though.

I can honestly say I've never been to a Star Trek convention.

TrekBBS rejects???

Umm, fellas...

We are the people who rejected the tyranny of TrekBBS!

Point being that most of us are from a Star Trek fan site.

Looking at your join date, I suspect that you are a REJECT. We are the FOUNDERS!!

..And therein lies the fundamental difference between Black and White.

Random profanity-fueled threadbump. (What? Skin can't be assed to do the heavy lifting all the time.)

*sigh* My point is: JJ Abrams directed "Star Trek". Skinofevil seems to virulently hate "Star Trek". Skinofevil also seems to virulently hate...just, never mind.

Yeah, if you've been keeping up, that one's gonna fall flat.

Captain X loves to suck JJ Abram's cock!

Actually, just going through this thread and it's kinda sad to see dkehler's posts. He had a wicked sense of humour.

We already knew that.

You expect people to review something without watching it?

For the first JJ offering, I didn't go to the theater for it. Of course, it takes ALOT to get me in a theater as it is. My home system has everything the theaters have, and I can drink my beer while watching. But, I digress.

I will RENT the new movie, if only to be knowledgeable about it when I review it, if that's okay with you.

I would enjoy seeing if JJ has any new or original ideas for it, and not a bunch of overused devices (time travel) or recycled characters (Khan is rumored) or retreaded plotlines. (Angry Romulan is like, Soooo 'Nemesis' ya know?) And obligatory torture scenes with slug-like creatures put in people's ears. (Where have we seen THAT?)

I mean come the fuck on..... After taking all the trouble to erase the past with the alternate reality crap - ostensibly to be able to get away from anything else done already - he just goes right back into all the same stuff we've already seen at some point? What was ONE original thing about ST2009? Couldn't the revered genius JJ have come up with ONE original thing?

Again, it was designed to appeal to the ADD, instant gratification, video game generation, of which JJ is a member. And as such, it does quite well. But Star Trek, it ain't. It inspired NO thought, brought out NO emotion for anyone watching, it was just a video game.

-Spock and Uhura were fucking, Vulcan was destroyed and the timeline stayed altered.

You keep saying that. Do you believe classic Trek was some sort of intentional exercise in delayed gratification?

That's highly subjective.

Yeah, pretty weak stuff that required the creativity of a eighth grader. And what did he really do, switch Nurse Chapel for Uhura as Spock's lust interest?

And we're to believe Spock Prime wouldn't want to fix the skewed timeline?

Do we have a "moving the goalposts" smiley?

TOS and NG both dealt with more heady concepts, intellectual exercises and moral conundrums, questions of science, ideals or philosophy. JJ's ST reduced the franchise to much more brawn than brain, and it largely jettisons complicated ethical conundrums in favor of action sequences and special effects, loud and colorful action. Nothing inspiring, nothing intellectual, nothing challenging. And nothing all that memorable or noteworthy.

What kind of alot? Alot of fire? A normal alot?

My favorite alot is definitely fire.

I am willing to bet that you, and most any other ST fan at WF, could have come up with alot better plot and overall movie than JJ did.

No doubt.

Sometimes. And sometimes we got salt vampires, space Lincoln, Vulcan brain theft, God wanting a starship, tribbles, witches, Robin Hood, space gangsters, Spock going all sex nuts and trying to murder Kirk, Worf playing Sheriff, giant murderous space snowflakes, whale theft....

You're putting classic Trek on a pedestal and imagining it to be something greater than it was.

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150 million dollars to make this dog of a movie, vs. maybe $100,000 per episode of TOS. The low budget and deadline constraints are going to give you the "bad" episodes. What's JJ's excuse?

You can ignore the truth all you wish.

Example of what I'm talking about - when Kirk was brought up on charges and Spock made the case that Kirk never faced death or got the point of the Kobyashi Maru scenario (another overused, unoriginal plot device in ST) our clever James T. Kirk couldn't even splutter, apparently not very bright and ready for that with something like, "I DID face the no win scenario, twice on the two previous tests. I get the point, I don't accept it."

They got you on the "nothing original" thing. I would've just called the Uhura/Spock thing and those other bits pandering, but that's just me.

TOS wasn't the bestest best thing evar, either, it's just that Abrams Trek is a bad movie and turns the familiar into a more modern, generic version of what it was. Honestly, I don't understand the venom some people have, either because they actually hated the movie or because they practically jizz in their pants over it and can't stand to see any criticism of it.

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No, it's not just you. It's fanservice, and of the lowest, most crude and elementary kind.

It's not really offensive merely that it does so -- what's offensive is that it's so obvious that it does so intentionally.

It's as if they didn't even give a shit. "Here. Here's your fucking spaceships, your fucking green women, your fucking laser guns and your fucking drama. Now, pay up, nerds!" It practically drips from the cinematography, and to slip past that without taking offense requires that you're either a double-digit IQ jock douchebag or a fucking zombie.

Venom? Not from me. This shallow grab at box office cash doesn't rate it. Disgust? Oh, yes. That it gets in spades.

See, and there's what offends Star Trek fans about this film. Not science-fiction fans, because let's face it, Star Trek fans are a subspecies of science-fiction fans. Science-fiction fans are satisfied with:

1. Spaceships
2. Ray guns
3. Half naked green women.

That's it. You got those three things? Science fiction fans are in your pocket. Star Trek fans? Yeah, they're more picky. They want their Star Trek to be Star Trek. Well, fuck them, amirite? Just slap the marquee on it, good enough for the "I want to see lens flares and slo-mo explosions" crowd. Hell, by this reckoning, the Mission: Impossible movies were Star Trek. But we at the studio don't give a shit. We don't care about your opinions, we don't give a shit about what you like, we care about how many half-educated halfwits whose asses we can stuff into seats for yet another bland, generic scrap of special effects spectacle."

That's not Star Trek. Those of you who want -- desparately, it seems -- to pretend that was Star Trek? You go right ahead. But you're standing on the sidelines whooping and hollering about a pitiful fucking sparkler while the majority of us are yelling for fireworks.

Don't pretend you're the majority. Don't pretend you give a shit what you're shown. You don't. We're here as living proof that you don't. If JJTrek was good enough for you. Manjia. But for people who liked Star Trek, it's fucking not. And you knock our dissatisfaction at the peril of exposing just how much you're fucking not fans of the genuine article. Want to keep your cover? Best strategy: Shut the fuck up.

If you liked JJTrek? Great. Super. Smashing. But you do not like Star Trek. Don't pretend you do. Those of us who do -- do not fucking believe you. And yes, it is important that we believe you, if you intend to convince us of anything.