"Riots are the language of the unheard." - Martin Luther King. I don't like riots... but I understand why they happen. The people there don't trust the criminal justice system to protect them by finding this officer guilty of murder... even with video evidence. To the "What about black on black crime" crowd, first of all, fuck you, secondly, when black people commit crime against black people, a black person goes to jail. When an officer of the law, a person who is sworn to protect everyone commits a crime against a black person, all too often nothing happens. That's a problem. When you betray the trust the public has set in you, you should be held to a higher standard IMHO. If you can't handle it then find something else to do. I think riots are counterproductive to whatever the goal may be and even though they come from a frustration from not being heard, they only result in the majority of people justifying their behavior towards the few people that might look like the rioters. Understand this... Minneapolis is a city of 3.6 million people, of which, around 340,000 are black. I guarantee you, there are probably less than 50 people there being violent. That doesn't stop the media from sensationalizing what is happening, and it doesn't stop the racist from taking this as justification for being assholes.
Eventually what's going to happen is some swaggering asshole cop is going to try this kind of shit in the wrong circumstances and a mob will beat or kill him for it. That will be an interesting day.
I understand that these rioters are pissed but they're not just rioting, they're looting. Not only that, by rioting they're destroying their own city. Not that smart of a thing to do. As far as the black on black crime, yes a black person may (or may not) go to jail, but again they're usually putting others in danger in their own neighborhoods. It's not a civilized way to live. This cop will get what he's got coming to him, as will the other three. But as you say the media will keep up the sensationalism. It's great for ratings and it's even better to divide us as Americans, which is one of their main objectives.
I listened to a thing on suffragette leader Emmiline Pankhurst, and she said the rich care more about property than lives, so you have to go after their property to make them care about anything. A hundred years later, we're still fighting the same battles with the same assholes.
And Rightforge will mourn him like he's Ghandi. And blame leftforge for willing it into the universe. Even though you said it.
Oh god... The truth is that criminals commit crime where ever criminals are. The rates of black on black crime are similar to the rates of white on white crime.... hispanic on hispanic crime, asian on asian crime, etc. Look it up.
I agree! Normally in cases like this nothing happens fast because there is an "ongoing investigation" that can't be compromised. This case doesn't exactly need Scotland Yard to crack it - the whole world by this point has seen the video. If any of us on wordforge kept somebody handcuffed & pinned to the ground by their neck until dead while neighbors watched and did nothing and a video was released nearly immediately we would be arrested nearly immediately and charged with murder. "He was struggling" might be a valid excuse for what seems like excessive force if indeed a suspect is struggling and is a threat to public (or even cop) safety. Anything can happen in a physical encounter. But cuffed and prone with no weapons and moaning "they're going to kill me" and "I can't breath" not for a few seconds but for well over five minutes? I honestly cannot wrap my mind around it. I cannot put myself in these cops shoes to rationalize what happened here. This guy was not Mike Tyson on PCP. I'm just not seeing a valid threat from the deceased.
I don't dispute what you're saying at all. But the fact that blacks account for nearly 50% of all murders, while only comprising about 14% of the population, means their communities are in far greater danger.
Rioting is never a smart thing to do. I fully understand frustrations and the sense that there is no justice to be had (which in this case is almost certainly wrong; we can hope so at least), but rioting and looting amount to aiming your anger at the wrong target. But it seems there are always a few people who want an excuse to be violent, unfortunately.
One of the things that needs to start coming out in cases like this is the importance that the other officers present maintain a controlling factor and bring agressive cops down. It was common on the paintball field to have refs who would get hyped up with the players in confrontations that happened. I was often a person sent to a field where fighting was occurring to not only de-escalate the player aggression, but also to reign in the refs who may have been in arguments with the players. You need a level headed commander in the area to bring the hotter heads down and you often have to send them away to do other things. Looking at what is coming about regarding this cop's history someone else should have been in charge of handling the suspect because he seems to be a noted hot head. You do not put that sort of person in the position this guy was in. That is an administrative fuck up. You have to know the cops beneath you and allow for the more level headed ones to take possession of a suspect over a guy who likes to dish out punishment. I knew the people under my command at the paintball field. I knew who to send in when they were a part of the problem. when we had good field manager things worked great. As soon as he died and some dipshit wannabe came in everything started falling apart and things became really dangerous.
Seems the other night a Black woman took flight from a 24th floor balcony while police were in the apartment. Lack of details is leading to a ton of speculation, very little of it placing the cops above suspicion. It's gonna be 1992 all over again.
Which is also bollocks as anyone with control and restraint training should know. Making it more difficult to breathe places extra demands on the heart and lungs which they may not be able to tolerate, especially given the already heightened state of arousal. That's not to mention the physical damage to the trachea and possibly spinal column. Even forcing someone to lie down for long periods can be dangerous if the are unable to change position. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Positional_asphyxia
No, both the murder and the riots are trouble you binary piece of shit You’re just trying to frame him as someone who doesn’t care about the murder to score cheap points
He started this thread as if he were completely oblivious to the original event. But you keep defending him. You are, after all, the self-designated expert on shit.
“As if”. So you have no idea what he was and wasn’t oblivious to Sure, i have no problem defending people against crazy old bats with an obvious axe to grind who get off on scoring cheap political points like you just did
the idea of "if you can talk you must be breathing" generally applies to people choking on food or other swallowed objects. Everyone who has had CPR/rescue breathing (the Red Cross might do it differently than other organizations and all of them tweak their training slightly every time you go through the training) knows you ask the choking victim "are you choking? Can you breath?" and if they scream "no shit Sherlock!" that's a good thing because at least some air is getting through - then you can tailor your assistance accordingly.
I see we’ve reached the part of the conversation where garamet knows she’s in the wrong but just starts doubling down with stupid shit Jolly good
Who's "we," Kemosabe? What can I do to make you join the legion of other twitchy little boys across the political spectrum who've put me on Ignore?
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isn't that exactly the sort of tyranny good guy patriots with guns have been dreaming of since their first Farrah poster?
https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/george-floyd-protest-updates-05-28-20/index.html So....how bad do you have to fuck up - how violent and brutal do you have to be - to get fired from the Minneapolis police department? Raise you hands folks, raise em' high: does anyone here on wordforge have a job where you can have 18 complaints (officially, on the record) and still keep said job? Nice work if you can get it I guess. Former Minneapolis police officer Tou Thao was named in a lawsuit stemming from the 2014 arrest of Lamar Ferguson. CNN has not yet determined who is legally representing Thao. Ferguson was subjected to "cruel and unusual punishment" by Thao and another officer during his arrest in an alley on October 7, 2014 on a warrant, according to the suit. The lawsuit claimed that the officers used "unreasonable force" during the arrest in the form of "punches, kicks and knees to the face and body while Ferguson was defenseless and handcuffed." Ferguson suffered broken teeth, bruising, and trauma as a result of the arrest, according to the lawsuit. Ferguson was walking home from his grandmother's house with his pregnant girlfriend when they were approached by a Minneapolis police car with Thao and the other officer inside. The officers allegedly put Ferguson in handcuffs behind his back and took his wallet with his identification out of his pocket, according to the lawsuit. The second officer took the ID to run it through the the National Crime Information Center but no warrant showed up in the system, the lawsuit said. The second officer "falsely stated that there was a warrant out for Plaintiff's arrest," the lawsuit said, prior to the alleged physical attack occurring. The lawsuit was settled by the city of Minneapolis on December 11, 2017 by payment of $25,000 to Lamar Ferguson and his attorneys, according to the settlement.
There's a segment of WhiteForge that doesn't talk much about cops murdering or assaulting minorities. They never outright say they don't care, they just don't bother discussing it. But riots by minorities? Protests that dare block roads or intersections? Countless posts of righteousness condemnation. Then later when white people block roads to protest a suggestion to wear a mask, or not being allowed to go to Applebee's for a while? WhiteForge only wants to talk about free speech.
And you are all for the white guy who harassed black people at the public pool. How are you supporting a much different person again? I notice you are all for shouting at those people while you condone doing racist things. I think you might be on the wrong side of the line bro. Creepy joe seems to think this sort of thing should be overlooked.
You're slipping, you forgot to call me homophobic and transphobic as well. You also failed to work in a reference to punching Nazis. Sloppy work. This is why I only select "Show ignored content" when I'm especially bored. Because you're lazy.
The mere fact of complaints does not mean that any one of the complaints were valid, or that even assuming that they were valid that the officer should have been canned before this. Some of/all the complaints all could have been complete BS. They could have been about things that the complainant thinks is improper but is actually allowed by law or policy. They could have been that middle ground where you can't necessarily tell what the truth is, so the tie goes to the officer. They could have been all legit and MPD did a bogus job investigating. He could have done all sorts of stuff that could or should have been the subject of complaints but wsn't. The complaints could have The complaints could have been about minor things or they could have been about major things. TLDR: we don't know based on this story about his complaints, or what to make of them.
