Trump tests positive for COVID

Um...yes. If you think that the doctors are being coerced and are risking loss of their license to help Trump then you're nuts.

These are the CDC guidelines for Covid

I've known people that recovered just as quickly and others who were in oxygen tanks for a week. Every person is different. And none of this is proof that he needs to be temporarily removed from office. We don't remove Presidents for being sick. At least not yet.

Seriously? You don't think rich and powerful patients don't doctor shop until they get the results they want? Or that some doctors are just incompetent, corrupt, and/or both? That's incredibly naive. Trump is the most powerful man in the country. Nobody's worried about the AMA when it comes to him. Look at his physicals over the last few years.

All of which are highly in doubt for our dear President. Where's the proof he is meeting these guidelines? His good word? What his doctors say? I'd like to see actual results. Since that's not legal, I'll have to trust Trump's word. Oh, great. Well, whatever.

Every person is different. But that's the point. Trump could recover quickly, but what about the people he possibly infects because he didn't quarantine long enough? Oh well, what the hell.

And no one wants to remove him from office for being sick. People are worried he's off his rocker because he is saying crazier-than-normal shit. And yet again, you're carrying water for the bastard. Why? He's going to kill people. Isn't that important? Doesn't that mean anything?

Why wouldn't the Senate pass it? Biden has an 85% chance of winning (95% if the election were held today). It's far more likely to be used against Biden than Trump.

Let's see how people feel about invoking the 25th Amendment when it comes to a Democrat. I have a feeling T.R. would probably feel the same either way, but others would jump on than bandwagon faster than a Patriots fan.

Biden is 77 years old. The odds of no one having to use the 25th amendment (section 3 or 4) over the next 4 years for something (say, a colonscopy), are nil. Having an independent commission, rather than a cabinet which may be more loyal to the president than the country, is a good idea.

Where? When? I've known about Trump since growing up in the eighties. He's always been off his rocker and never made much sense. What has he said in the past few days that's any different which makes you think he needs to be removed from office?

Calm down dude, the sky isn't falling. I'm not carrying his water, I just don't believe that him recovering from covid so quickly is reason enough to remove from office.

That's why we have the Amendment (theoretically, anyway). If Biden is too sick to govern, I would want Harris to do it. If I were a Republican, I would (again, theoretically) want Pence to run the government if Trump were ill. I'd be okay with it, anyway, because the Presidency isn't about a cult of personality. It's an office.

No matter what, any invocation of the 25th is going to be political. A president could be stroking out in front of the country and a quarter of the population would call it a coup. And with Trump...forget it. I think the fact that Pelosi is initiating this is what's really getting on the conservatives' nerves, though. They really hate outspoken, liberal women. It goes beyond politics. It's venomous beyond anything they express for male politicians--and I'm not one to usually cry sexism every chance I get. But there's sexism at play with Pelosi.

You honestly think that Independent commission will still be talked about if Biden wins? Because I doubt a true independent commission can be formed in just three weeks.

Really? You must not remember how venomous they were with Bill Clinton or Barack Obama. Frankly politics for the past thirty years has been nothing short of a full contact blood sport.

The massive majorities who voted Democratic in 2018 would like a word about the first part of that sentence.

It's hard to see how that independent commission could have any authority, of course.

This is the man whom @The Ghost of Crazy Horse thinks is mentally stable:

Why not?

And he hasn't tweeted since.

Uh, this is interesting.



The veracity of it is suspect, of course, but I still think that one should put a pin in it to see if it turns out to be true.

He's always been crazy is a really strange defense to make as to why he shouldn't be removed from office.

It's a much better defense of why he should never have been in it, or barring that, removed as quickly as humanly possible.

It's a little more complicated than that.

The 25th spells out the procedure for removal in some detail. It's not like order of succession, which is left up to legislation.

Nothing Pelosi says will ever be good enough. She has been hit with the same unlikeable stick the Republicans used on Hillary. Hell, even the progressives hate her. She just doesn't have charisma, and women without charisma end up losing way more points than men in the US. Like Clinton, the conservative hatred of Pelosi isn't based on anything concrete. It's visceral.

Kinder, Küche, Kirche. A woman needs to know her place. And also look like a supermodel only with big boobs. Murica!

An aside: I've been using the term "Muricans" for a while now. Hereafter I will refer to the Deplorables as "Merkins." Google it, but NSFW.

That’s been my favorite way to spell it for some time. It’s especially hysterical when some Yuropean freaks out because of its other connotations.

The first issue is whether or not you can trust any supposed clearance from a doctor that Trump might proclaim.

The obvious answer is that you cannot. Trump could straight-up lie about having received clearance or exaggerate.

A doctor might say, "Well, I think that if you baically have at your disposal all the medical equipment that you have at the White House and a helicopter on standby to fly you to a hospital if anything goes wrong, it's not riskier to do a rally than to stay home. But I wouldn't recommend it." Technically that could be read as approval.

Same with, "I think it's insane to exert yourself and possibly create another superspreader event when you're obviously still contagious, but you can do what you want, Mr. President." That could also be considered clearance.

Also, it seems like there's little chance of a loss of a license or discipline even if the doctor gave the most enthusiastic approval and Trump goes out to a rally, collapses and dies.

So as of this moment, he's refused the second debate, but is planning rallies in Pennsylvania and Florida tomorrow and Sunday.

Unless his minions have broken the news that he didn't win the "Noble Prize." That might cause a relapse. Or at least enough of a tweet-storm to miss the first rally...

Meanwhile, Chris Christie's on Day 6 of hospitalization, with no report from medical staff. Most patients are released at Day 5, unless there's a reason - such as obesity and a history of asthma - to keep them longer.

Remember in the ancient before-times, when the deplorables pearl-clutched over Hillary's "basket of deplorables"?
It turned out not to be a basket, but a fleet of helicopters towing cargo containers.
Funny how their wounded fee-fees didn't correspond with better behavior.

Gawd, if Trump and Pence ended up both on machines, and she became temporary president, I would totally blast-off in my shorts.
Especially after the first rightforger's head exploded.