"The 1980's are calling to ask for their foreign policy back."

Generally yes. But keep in mind that Russia wasn’t ALWAYS an ally.

Molotov-Ribbentrop was a real thing. There were Eastern and Central Europeans that fought Soviet subjugation that weren’t Nazis or even Nazi allied.

As a general rule I'm no fan of the Nazis, y'know, because of the Holocaust and whatnot, but it's harder to hold a grudge against someone that joined the Nazis to fight against the power that just committed the Holomodor. That this guy apparently hasn't been tried as a war criminal suggests he was only involved in fighting against Russia.

So apparently some cunts are getting tired of fighting for a dictator. Sadly not the GOP.

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/en...e-disillusionment_uk_651179d4e4b06340f75fccc3

Sorry dude, but if I'm caught between two genocide-committing shitass dictators, I'd probably side with the dictator that didn't directly commit genocide against me and mine.

That's an entirely false choice, as those who fought for nationalist movements and against both powers are evidence of.

And while we don't know about this guy personally (aside from his joining the inherently criminal SS) the unit that he was a member of is known to have committed crimes.

Rationalisation of Nazism is not okay.

Y'all are going to Paul von Hindenburg your way right into a Nazi power.

Israel isn't exactly lazy about going after war criminals, so I'm operating under the assumption that they checked him out and didn't find anything he did worth prosecuting. Is that not an unreasonable assumption?

Canada? Sure we are.

Your parliament applauded a Waffen SS soldier. Don't feel bad, though, the US will likely get there first.

Knowingly?

Who invited the Waffen SS soldier into parliament?

Oh, it was "accidental," just like so many pictures of Ukrainian soldiers featuring swastikas, Sonnenrads, and SS symbols you see in the press while covering the war in Ukraine. They just keep getting in the way of the totally not Nazi soldiers in a government that celebrates a Nazi, Stepan Bandera. Maybe in 10 years some of you will look back and go "oh shit, we were supporting Nazis," but likely not. Hey, maybe it will all work out in the wash, like when German citizens had no idea that concentration camps were happening right under their noses. This is the 21st century, we'd notice that these days, wouldn't we? Sure we would.

More context from The Guardian:

The ovation took place shortly after Ukraine’s president, Volodymyr Zelenskiy, delivered an address to the parliament on Friday, when the assembly’s speaker, Anthony Rota, called lawmakers’ attention to 98-year-old Yaroslav Hunka, whom he described as a “war hero” who fought for the First Ukrainian Division.

Critics said the First Ukrainian Division was better known as the Waffen-SS “Galicia” Division or the SS 14th Waffen Division, a volunteer unit that was under the command of the Nazis.

The decision to allow about 600 members of the division to live in Canada after the second world war has long been a source of controversy in Canada, and was the subject of a government commission of inquiry in the 1980s into whether Canada had become a haven for war criminals.

Members of the division were accused of killing Polish and Jewish civilians. The Nuremberg tribunals found the Waffen-SS guilty as an organisation of war crimes but not the Galicia division.

Dominique Arel, the chair of Ukrainian studies at the University of Ottawa, told Canada’s public broadcaster CBC that the division Hunka was part of had attracted thousands of Ukrainian volunteers, many joining with hopes they could achieve Ukrainian independence.

Only Germans from Germany were able to fight in the German army, Arel said, so non-German volunteers who believed in Nazi aims or sought to use Nazi power for their own ends were organised into SS divisions.

https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2...aising-ukrainian-veteran-who-fought-for-nazis

You can have your volunteer Waffen SS soldier. Find whatever reason you want to justify him walking out of that chamber a free man. Do whatever you have to in order to keep from connecting the dots. It worked for the people living next to the concentration camps.

I sure do miss when we all agreed that Nazis were bad. I'll let you get back to your apologia.

You mean just like the Nuremberg tribunals did?

Thank fuck we've got Amaris posting here to be our moral beacon, since she obviously knows better than they did.

The whole thing was a cock-up by the Speaker and whatever idiot staff were supposed to vet the guy. I'd never even heard of him until shit went sideways. I imagine most folks in the House didn't know either and just took it on faith that he was, in fact, a war hero who fought for our side.

The Speaker absolutely needs to resign over this, and a whole bunch of staffers in his office should be fired.

But we were told there are no Nazis in Ukraine. This guy volunteered in 43' at a time when the Nazis were conscripting people and we knew of some of the atrocities going on.

You know who did know, Zelensky.

Shut up, Putin.

For a bit of context remember that this guy (Dmitry Utkin) led the assault on Bakhmut (and was personally honored by Putin).

Me: "Tiniest bit of criticism towards Ukraine"

Leftists: "Putin lover! Nazi!"

I'm not a "leftist", and that's not why folks on this board call you a Putin-loving Nazi.

Then why don't you explain yourself?

To quote an infamous Putin-loving Nazi...

Are there racist Nazi shitheads in Ukraine? Almost certainly.

Is Ukraine as a whole a Nazi nation, under a Nazi government cunningly hidden behind a Jewish man, who was elected by a massive majority of Ukrainian voters? No, and if you think so you might be getting early onset Alzheimer's from all the aluminum foil wrapped around your head.

Just ask Bibi, I guess.

Seriously, folks, I don't know what to tell you, it's why I don't usually bother with threads like these, because too many people are high on their own supply. Oh, I know, you're smart enough to recognize fascism when it comes, you'll be ready for it, you'll keep it from happening, I'm sure. I am so very confident in your ability.

Oh, and that's the thing, it's not hidden in Ukraine, it is literally out in the open to the point where the news media had to start blurring images of Nazi symbols. For real? Yeah, real confident you'll all spot it before it gets here.

And yet here you are…

Any thoughts about Putin responding to a precision strike on the Black Sea Fleet HQ by destroying an international hotel in Odesa earlier today?

There's Nazis in America too last time I checked, and as far as I know you've killed exactly none of them, so I guess you're a Nazi-loving fascist collaborator, aren't you?

Remind me, how long have you provided tech support for this place? Was it back when Storm was posting his thinly veiled Nazi rantings? You were absolutely a member here, and you didn't do jack shit to stop him. You Fuckin' Nazi.

Yeah, sometimes I try to contribute. What a crazy notion. What I can't do is convince, because some folks just will not be convinced, and this being an internet forum, there could be 100% evidence to support something I stand by, and it still wouldn't convince others. Some people just will never listen because they are absolutely certain that what they see isn't what they see, and that is something I have to accept.

As for Putin, what does that have to do with Canadians applauding a member of the Waffen SS? You think because I'm a communist I somehow like Putin? That would be fucking stupid if you did, because Putin is not a communist. If you haven't figured out how I feel about Putin by now, then you don't want to, you'd rather I be a convenient target for your frustrations with Putin, and how easily you're lead around by the nose when it comes to just who is really a threat to the US electoral system, and the world at large. As bad as he is, it's not Putin. I do not expect you to care.

Yes, there are Nazis in the Americas, namely the US and Canada. You want me to kill them, which is admirable, but you're only willing to sit behind a monitor and toss out barbs while you find reasons to excuse specific Nazis because it's different this time.

I can remedy that quickly. I certainly wouldn't want to help administrate a forum that supports Nazis of any kind.

And yet here you are…

Any thoughts about Putin responding to a precision strike on the Black Sea Fleet HQ by destroying an international hotel in Odesa earlier today?

If he did that, then that is horrible. I say this because Putin is not a good person. I have said this in the past, you ideological paperweight. None of that, however, changes the applause for a Waffen SS soldier by Canadian parliament.

Now, follow this crucial point: Two things. Can still be bad.
Say it again: Two things. Can still be bad.

If your response is anything other than acknowledgement of what I said, then don't bother.