Israel is Coming Apart at the Seams, It Seems

This is some weird fascist propaganda shit. Mossad posts a wedding proposal between two Israeli soldiers.


https://twitter.com/MOSSADil/status/1735047641497530446

 

Marriage is totally fascist, you're making some excellent points

 

Marriage is a dictatorship.

 

Mohammed El-Kurd on 'Mournable Victims' and Gaza



This focuses on Refaat's murder by the Israelis, but it does touch on mourning people in a mass murder, and how some people approach it. It is genuinely very sweet and worth watching.

 

Upton Sinclair once said that "it is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it," but you're not getting paid for any of this.

 

John Lennon said, “give peace a chance”. Israel did just that and Hamas said no.

 

You deserve a raise.

 

From a month ago:

 

No, you stuck your dick in a tater and called it your wife. There's a difference.

 

Blowback: How Israel Went From Helping Create Hamas to Bombing It
Hamas wants to destroy Israel, right? But as Mehdi Hasan shows in a new video on blowback, Israeli officials admit they helped start the group.

Source: https://theintercept.com/2018/02/19/hamas-israel-palestine-conflict/

 

Yes I did. Follow the goddamned conversation.

 

Yeah... remember when Hamas lied about being open to peace?

"This man murdered his wife, right? But in this new video, she admits she married him willingly."

 

There’s J. Allen.

 

Yeah, Israel helped create Hamas - when it was a charity to help the Palestinian people. They always seem to leave that part out.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mujama_al-Islamiya

The Mujama al-Islamiya ("Islamic Centre") is an Islamic charity which was established in 1973 in Gaza by Sheikh Ahmed Yassin, who had been involved with the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood's Palestinian branch. Mujama started to offer clinics, blood banks, day care, medical treatment, meals and youth clubs. Mujama plays an important role for providing social care to the people, particularly those living in refugee camps. It also extended financial aid and scholarships to young people who wanted to study in Saudi Arabia and the West.

Mujama al-Islamiya was recognized by Israel in 1979 as a charity, allowing the organization to set up the Islamic University in Gaza (IUG) and build mosques, clubs, schools,[1] and a library in Gaza,[2] besides other social services.

 

In events that I'm sure aren't connected at all, Hamas calls for widespread terrorist attacks in the west.
https://www.the-express.com/news/world-news/121242/hamas-threaten-usa-uk-israel


Followed shortly by 4 Hamas members being arrested in Germany.
https://www.reuters.com/world/four-...ted-attack-plans-german-prosecutor-2023-12-14

 

Not just Germany, but also Denmark and the Netherlands.

ttps://www.reuters.com/world/europe/copenhagen-police-danish-intelligence-make-arrests-suspicion-preparations-attack-2023-12-14/

COPENHAGEN/BERLIN, Dec 14 (Reuters) - Seven people, including four suspected Hamas members, were arrested in Denmark, Germany and the Netherlands on suspicion of planning attacks on Jewish institutions in Europe, authorities in the three countries said on Thursday.

 

Eve Gerber, wife of former Obama advisor, harasses Harvard student wearing keffiyeh.

https://youtube.com/shorts/4rhzwyzN-9k?si=67E30y6YWcCMk146

 

Haymarket Books is offering a free eBook this month for anyone who wants to know more about the Palestinian struggle. It's called "From The River to the Sea: Essays for a Free Palestine," and you can get it for free here:
https://www.haymarketbooks.org/blogs/500-free-e-book-from-the-river-to-the-sea

 

If I burn it is someone going to cut my head off?

 

A "free Palestine" administered by whom? Who chooses this government? Does every current inhabitant of Palestine get a say?

A Palestine ruled by radical Muslims such as Hamas is the opposite of free, even if the majority of Palestinians desire it. Minority rights are a key component of freedom, and the absence of them means the government is illegitimate. Replacing Israel with a radical Muslim state should be no rational person's goal...and if it is, that person should be opposed. Their ideas are bunk.

Now, replacing Israel with a democratic secular state that supports the rights of all of its inhabitants? Support that all you want. But don't tell me the Palestinians have a right to choose the implementation of their own oppression, because unless 100% of them agree a minority is still going to get royally fucked. That's not acceptable. And ethnic cleansing on a mass scale will occur, only this time the shoe will be on the other foot. That's not acceptable either.

A free Palestine or a free Israel is what we should all be shouting for. Truly free, without any cultural relativism involved.

 

That's for the Palestinians to work out. When US slaves were demanding to be free, there were people who felt that freeing them would just make things worse, because they wouldn't know what to do with their newfound freedom. Colonialism has poisoned entire generations, and so if this were about justice, it would be a decision made by the people who had been oppressed. They make the decision.

 

This is a very important question (if unfortunately a secondary one at this moment) and you raise some great points. I'll come back to it tomorrow when I'm not just on my phone.

 

I dunno, it might depend on what shoes you're wearing during the attempt.

 

Heavy rains have lead to flooding in parts of Gaza and are making the already terrible situation worse, adding disease to the rampant hardships:

 

And if they choose a radical Islamic theocracy, we should cheer that on as justice being served? We should tell those Palestinians who oppose radical Islam they're being complicit in colonialism, or to get the hell out of free Palestine if they don't like it? Justice is a repressive regime replacing another repressive regime?

What about the Israelis? What happens to them? Do they just have to hope the new government of free Palestine isn't feeling vengeful? Where do they go once they're dispossessed? Is that just their problem because they're dirty colonialists--even the ones born in Israel who had nothing to do with the establishment of the Israeli state?

It's easy to speak in the abstract and bring up false historical equivalences. It's easy to be an idealist, marching in the streets of a free nation advocating for the freedom of an oppressed people. But when you get what you want, then what? If the answer is more oppression, more human rights violations--only this time on people you don't like--that's the incorrect answer.

People supported abolition in the US, but the abolitionist movement didn't stop at abolition. They advocated for Black civil rights, too. They didn't advocate for subsequent white oppression by vengeful Blacks if they chose to enact it. They advocated for justice, not for replacing one evil for another.

Maybe Palestinians would choose a democratic secular government that supported minority rights. Maybe they wouldn't enact revenge on the settler colonialists, as you say. That would be wonderful. But how likely is that? And do you care, or would Palestine suddenly be none of your business?

 

How did it work out when the 13th amendment was ratified? Palestine and Israel are in this position because colonialist powers chose to meddle and then wiped the blood from their hands when it became too much.

Israel is a colonialist vassal state of the United States. It shouldn't be there, and yet it is, and so the Palestinians, and the Israelis living there, will need to work that out themselves. Quit meddling.

 

You gonna tell all the neighboring Arab and Persian states to stay out of it, too?