It's HIGH TIME the 2nd Amendment was REPEALED. Sorry Gunforge ,your guns must be TAKEN AWAY from you

I didn't realize it was a detailed Devil/Genie style contract with fine print.

Exactly.

Yes, yes, yes a great a really great quote but you seem to have accidentally forgotten to include the word ‘now’ as well as the next couple sentences which add a little more context.

Mr. Chairman — A worthy member has asked, who are the militia, if they are not the people, of this country, and if we are not to be protected from the fate of the Germans, Prussians, &c. by our representation? I ask who are the militia? They consist now of the whole people, except a few public officers. But I cannot say who will be the militia of the future day. If that paper on the table gets no alteration, the militia of the future day may not consist of all classes, high and low, and rich and poor; but may be confined to the lower and middle classes of the people, granting exclusion to the higher classes of the people.​

He was opposed to the wording well regulated being in front of and qualifying the right to bear arms.

He thought mandatory training and such would mean the rich wouldn’t bother and only the poors and middle class would be willing to go to training days for lowish pay.

Meaning *gasp* only the poors and middle class would have a guaranteed right to guns. PERISH THE THOUGHT!

But again, great quote. Thanks for sharing.

Something to keep in mind is that putting the militia part in front of the arms point was a conscious decision!

Madison’s original draft read:

The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed; a well armed and well regulated militia being the best security of a free country: but no person religiously scrupulous of bearing arms shall be compelled to render military service in person.​

Congress decided to qualify the right to bear arms.

It was clear that the original draft of the amendment guaranteed the right to bear arms on an individual basis with the well regulated militia just a little explainer on why it was important.

But they changed it. Presumably not just to put it in iambic pentameter. Or make it fit better on the page. Or to have the first letter of each line spell out GWS FEET SMELL or anything like that.

They could have not qualified it. But they actively decided to. But hey, what would the select committee know about their intentions? Scalia knows more than them.

A gas station attendant who wants to kill his girlfriend's father is a well regulated militia.
Murca.

http://wordforge.net/index.php?threads/leftforge-doesnt-understand-the-second-amendment.107376/
https://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/fed46.asp

You do understand how linear time works?

Your quote from Madison about what the militia is was written a year and half BEFORE he wrote the first draft of the second amendment and a year and eight months before the final (current) version was voted out of the House.

James Madison obviously felt as you do about the right to bear arms as was clear in his first draft BUT CONGRESS DIDN’T. So they modified it so the well regulated militia qualified not justified the right to bear arms.

Should we go by what Congress actually passed and the states ratified or what the writer of the first draft wanted?

A simple yes or no will suffice.

Should we go by what Congress actually passed and the states ratified or what the writer of the first draft wanted?

don’t forget that 10 USC section 246 define all able bodied males between the ages of 17 and 49 and not excluded under section 247, to be members of the unorganized militia, and can at any given time be called upon by local, county, state, or federal government to act in the military defense. so even modern is code says it. This is also the same body that statutory authority allows local, county, state, and federal authorities derive their ability to call upon and pull from to serve in law enforcement and emergency service situations under concept of posse comitatus. Title 42, section 1989 states

So, the Militia of the US is the Posse Comitatus, is any able bodied male between the ages of 18 and 49, not specifically excluded, or under 62 if previously regular or reserve military, and in order for it to function properly, on both accounts, when called upon, has the unrestricted right to keep and bare arms.

Oh, you are guntard. I see your guntard stamp. Some laws made back in the days of slavery so that white males could round up evildoers, aka black folk, are not really relevant or necessary in modern society, nor are those laws written in stone derived from some sacred place. Those are the thoughts of racist, sexist, white WASPy land owning men who wanted to kill off indians, keep human cattle, and many of which were engaged in forms of drug running like alcohol sales.

We do not need militias anymore as we have created things like the national guard and coast guard. Joe schmucko does not need a gun because he might be called upon to be deputized at some point in time by the local sherrif. One of the realities back then was that the sherrif did not have a big old communityu cache of weaponry so they relied on the regular citizens to maintain personal firearms. Today we really do not have those concerns where some schmuck is going to immediately be needed to be a deputy shooting people because the slaves revolted, the indians are attacking, or the mexicans are invadin.

You are not a well regulated militia. You are not even a militia. You are just some schmuck with a gun, and we need to regulate your possesion of them. Maybe you are a decent law abiding citizen with a gun, that still does not mean you need your gun in walmart, at taco bell, in the public restroom, or just hanging out in the park. You do not need your gun in your car and really we should have someone else check you on when you actually need your gun.

Oh, and to @Sherlock Holmes who has taken the moniker of an observant and intelligent detective. I would like to point you to the quiet corner where our resident guntard @Lanzman sits and does not discuss this shit because he has been so soundly beaten by logic, evidence, and rational arguments every time he tries to tell us all how guns make the world better because he is a cowardly craven simpleton who cannot figure out that a society awash in guns is a fucking bad idea that needs to be regulated and corrected.

He is silent and that wetness around him is urine from the last time he argued this bullshit. You are on the side of the two biggest village idiots present on this board. You might want to think your position through as there are plenty of people readyu to hulk smash you with evidence to contradict your guntard idiocy.

So get the fucking obvious clue, or dig the fuck in and give @Uncle Albert and @Steal Your Face a run for their money in the village idiot competition.

oh, and since SH seems to be going over there, I hear @Jenee sucks a good needledick . You might want to give her a go and see how well she polishes your balls.

Sorry, I'm not playing your games.

"Student of history"

Just because I don't answer the question doesn't mean I don't know the answer. Dumbass.

Yeah, try that in my exam, bitch.

I might give a mark for admitting you don't know, so instead you draw the cartoon adventures of Steve the Lion and Daphne the Unicorn.

But this weak-ass shit?

Zero. In fact, if I could slap you back to kindergarten, I would.

Where did @Sherlock Holmes go? Just because he was about to have his long-gun assault rifle shoved up his ass is no reason to run away.

Hopefully, in the interest of karmic balance, the universe cheat-coded itself, and Tamar's ghost killed him.

I am just wondering if he accidentally shot himself in the face while blowing his gun.

Man Who Shot Woman For Pulling Into The Wrong Driveway Sentenced To 25 Years To Life

Whelp, I never thought I'd see the day but a friend of mine, who's a gunsmith, has had enough of American gun culture. He's not merely getting rid of all his guns, but he and his wife are bailing on the country as a whole. They've started the process to emigrate to Canada, and will be settling in (she's a Canadian citizen) come early May. He said it was the school shooting in Nashville last year that did it for him.

Didn’t run away.

The irony is that the history of gun control is that it was racist by design and implementation.
don’t have time to type it all out on my phone myself, but here is a Reason article which covers it pretty well. https://reason.com/2022/01/16/gun-control-is-just-as-racist-as-drug-control/

Wait, you don’t have Turdrun on ignore?

Aw, look, the Tamar stalker and the girlfriend beating drunk are pals!
Ain't it cute?

Just hiding then. Got it.

Oh, now we are going to call gun control racist because strict controls are only going to be racist.

So we all have to get fucked for your little surrogate penis toy because it was racist sometime somewhere.

Bad argument as we can implement it in a non racist fashion. Are you sure you want to go do this? You took all this time to come up with the racist response, and that was pretty fucking lame. Maybe you want to take another year or so and think about your answer for a really long time, and perhaps everyone will die and then no one will be here to laugh at you being a fucking guntard.

BTW nice projection.

Oh feel free to go hang out with the boy and a bunch of guns. No really, I would pay for this shit. Do it and do it as often as you can, and remember to record it for fail army.

Speaking of racism, remember when Reagan as governor of California was suddenly for gun control when the Black Panthers started arming up?
I 'member.

Maybne they can all get together over @Jenee 's place and get pegged.

oh, any and all gun control is unconstitutional and was allowed for racist reasons. All gun control laws should be overturned and gun rights are absolute. There is no debate to be had, that’s just the way it is. Sorry if you disagree.