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Time travel again?

Boo.

Wrong font.

Oh god, I hope this isn't true...

Why couldn't they have just told a straight 'beginnings' story without the time-travel.



Guess I'll wait until there's a fan edit that removes the time-travel elements. Stupid Hollyweird idiots.

It's probably fake. Maybe.

How did Kirk "mess up the Romulans plans"?

He destroyed one of their ships.

He stole a cloaking device.

Hardly seems like something worth using time travel to prevent.

What about going back in time and assassinating the parents of the future top officers who will lead Earth against the Romulans in the Earth/Romulan War?

Well, it's not B&B time travel so I'll wait and see but if I had to guess, I'd say that you justify the Kirk angle by having the person going back have a personal vendetta against Kirk as well as a change history thing....like maybe he's the son of one of the Romulan Commanders Kirk beat

Hell, it would be sweet if that Female commander were still alive and was the "brains" behind the plot...

Sick. Of. Time. Travel.

And what all did Kirk do to the Romulans?! He met them exactly twice. Foiled an invasion once, stole some hardware once.

I'll give the movie a chance on its own terms. But, I do have to say...this does not sound plausible given what we've seen in TNG-era Trek. Romulan society as of DS9/Nemesis seems pretty well advanced and prosperous: the Romulans have a massive fleet, their homeworld is at peace, and they don't seem to have any long-term problems. Yes, their fleet took a pounding by the Dominion and there was some shaking up of the political situation thanks to Shinzon, but these problems seem neither fatal nor in any way connected to James T. Kirk.

And, anyway, why do time travellers always choose to go back to some critical moment in time (a la Picard in 'Generations') when, by going back to a slightly earlier date, they could avoid a whole lot of difficulty? If you're a time-travelling Romulan, why not just go back in time and kill Zephram Cochrane (when he's like 10 or something) as well as the Klingon who invented/captured/stole warp drive, and then give advanced warp drive, cloaking device, weapons, etc. to the Romulans of the same era, thus assuring they would be centuries ahead of their rivals?

Agreed, but we're talking about Hollywood. Watching a guy walk up to a ten-year-old kid and blast him with a phaser would be pretty boring... plus the movie would be over quick. That's why time travellers always go back to some critical moment. It's all about teh drama.

Yeah, I know. I was being facetious. Movies MUST have a certain amount of unreality in order to be really entertaining.

But I wasn't saying they should do a movie about killing a 10-year-old, only that if a TNG-era Romulan were to have access to time travel, that killing James T. Kirk might not be the most effective path to ensuring Romulan greatness. The script needs a compelling reason why it MUST be Kirk.

A time travel story like The Terminator works because it follows its own logic; at no point does the audience say 'Wait a minute! That can't be because...' This is in stark opposition to Generations where Picard chooses to bring Kirk back to a risky last-minute challenge with Soran, when, if he had thought a little more clearly, he could've gone back just a day or two earlier and not only slapped Soran in the brig immediately upon rescuing him from Amargosa, he could also have avoided great personal tragedy by sending a subspace message to his brother and nephew warning them of the disastrous, impending fire...

I think that there are hints of that, since there are actors listed as playing Kirk at various ages.

Sounds like Terminator 2.

Yeah, this is gonna tank if even hardcore Trekkers like us can't get enthused about.

Bring back Future Guy!

Again, that's what makes me think it has to be personal...someone who's driven to irrational action because of a vendetta.

OTOH, I'm not beyond believing that Abrams is clever enough to leak an elaborate lie to disguise a much different plot.

I FEEL LIKE A LAW AND ORDER: SPECIAL VICTIMS UNIT VICTIM.

Not particularly sick of time travel so much as tired of this particular pattern (which has only been done, what, 5+ times before, if you count novels and unintentional stuff like "City on the Edge of Forever") . . . might work, might not. But unless someone got a great idea for a plot out of the blue, why risk it not working?

Also was in on the Organian Space Treaty that allowed the Klingons to focus on the Rommies (in which case, this could be one prong of a complicated plan that involved other time travelling). Also saved the Earth repeatedly from Special Effects Of Varying Quality. Plus, since his name is Romulan for "Please go back in time and kill me", they can claim he was asking for it.

This movie was better when it was the Final Countdown.

This has always been my biggest problem with Generations. We all know that B&B don't give a rat's ass about Trek continuity, but for the love of god at least care about the continuity of the damned story that you're currently telling! This is what convinced me that Generations was made simply to have a lame "passing of the torch" from Kirk to Picard, so those pesky fans of Star Trek would think "hey, if Kirk thinks Picard is cool, so do I, forget all the times he's screwed the pooch on TNG".

Star Trek: Generations was just the Beeb's chance to kill off Kirk.

Why don't they just change the name of the franchise to Time Trek?

Don't forget the number of times Kirk stopped the Klingons from going to war against the Federation, at least directly. And especially in Star Trek VI. If the assassination plot had succeeded at that point, the Klingons would probably have been wiped out in the ensuing war, which would have been quite beneficial to the Romulans; no surprise Nanclus was in on it.

The Organians, a people I know and greatly respect for their power, are the ones who prevented war between the Federation and the Klingon Empire.

I am sure they would have intervened if events in "The Undiscovered Country" had gone awry and led to war, unless an even greater power - such as writers who ignore previous Star Trek continuity - intervened in turn.

That said, I read an article where Quinto and Nimoy stated at a convention that one scene they had to do together - i.e., Spock and Spock - was one of the most difficult. Therefore, one must logically assume that time travel is involved in the plotline, unless this is deliberate misinformation.

Please GOD not another lame-ass time travel story. Please.

I'm so underwhelmed I need to take a nap.

I'll give it a chance since Kevin Smith says it's good. But I agree, Trek does time travel all the time, every series has had it, they obviously really want to just always do time travel as if there isn't anything else to do with the franchise. Even Dr Who usually only time travels to get to where the adventure is, not alway as the crux of the story. Poor old Trek..

Just in terms of the canon times that Kirk has stopped the Romulans:

1. He destroyed their major weapon in "Balance of Terror."

2. He stole an iteration of the cloaking device in "The Romulan Incident."

3. He stopped a part-Romulan plot to prevent peace between the Klingons and the Federation.

Hypothetically, any one of the three could have stymied the Romulan Empire. If it weren't for Kirk discovering the weakness of the Bird of Prey, it would continue to be able to destroy Federation outposts and perhaps even stronger Federation targets without any difficulty.

If Kirk hadn't stolen the cloaking device, perhaps the Romulans would have not been forced to accept whatever treaty it was that prevented the Federation from pursuing cloaking technology.

If the relationship between the Klingon empire and the Federation had remained hostile, they would have been at each other's throats and the Romulans would have been able to expand. Also, the Klingons saved Picard's butt against the Romulans more than a couple times.

And that of course is to say nothing of the various times that Kirk saved the Federation from other threats. Take out Kirk, and the Federation succumbs to V'Ger, the Doomsday Machine, what have you. The Romulan Empire is in a place to gain from it.

We'll see what the movie has to say about why the Romulator doesn't just smother baby James T. Kirk in his crib, and why he instead waits till Kirk has graduated from Starfleet Academy.

I love time travel stories. My guess would be that they don't have full control of WHERE in time they can go. Many assume that said time travel will take you anywhere and anytime you want to go to.

I have read many stories wherein the time travel is fixed to a certain location or a set number of years back.

Or that the time travel has a certain connection to the spot it time a person travels to. In Michael Crichton's Timeline, the machine took people back to a set year. It could not be adjusted.