And that has exactly fuck-all to do with this thread. But I guess that is easier than actually refuting points....just dismiss them as a liar. I think that slogan under your name got cut off accidently, I'm pretty sure it should read: "Impervious to reason"
I was given that nickname by a cat I produced 2 1/2 albums for. Black R&B guy. Great singer. Good example though. We've entered the age where something as benevolent as this serves as a perfect launching point to jump into a blood-spewing diatribe about racism. Once upon a time, we could all laugh about it. Oh, the usual. Obama and Biden didn't vote for the so called 'bridge to nowhere'. Palin worships dinos. Palin bans books. Quite a bit of the misinformation being passed around as fact here. One thing that really pissed her off was my calling her on her wealth envy. Earlier, she was away from the table and I was still talking to the undecided about how the left will punish small business owners. The undecided said flat out "that's bullshit". Later, when my liberal friend returned, the issue was brought up again. I asked the undecided to say what she said earlier when the liberal stated that the poor have to be helped at the expense of the wealth makers. She didn't like that. Raoul, if you being one of the more reasonable liberal posters here can't look at videos of children singing hymns to him, or the MANY pictures of him composed to present him in a halo, or articles about prayer candles with his image on it, and still not think that it's a bad sign, then something is wrong with you. NO politician deserves that sort of worship from voters. Palin was nothing more than fresh blood in a party that wasn't satisfied with McCain. There's not one single damn thing you can post or link to that would prove otherwise. It's not there. Leave the 'but you guys did it first' card to Pardot. Another good example of hyper racism. The wheels are starting to come off the bus now. What's wrong with that statement? I think it's a pretty safe bet that parts of America are still pro-America. Yes. Don't try to sell me on the notion that there are parts of this country that absolutely fucking despise America. I've spent time in San Fran. But I don't live there, so it doesn't impact me. Am I not being mad enough because people in California despise me? Oh well. Ok Raoul! We need a SUPER BIG EMOTIONAL GUT-WRENCHING DRAMATIC ENDING!!! 'Hyper Racial Sensitivity' is a fancy way of saying 'finding racism in at every turn whether it exists or not'. I find it damn hard to believe that you managed to blow that into something designed to evoke emotions that would have been better suited for use if I had made a claim of 'reverse racism'. Were you getting emotional by question 6? What happened there?
Why the hell does everybody keep thinking I'm black? Well, I guess not everybody does. If certain people did, I would have expected to have been called an Uncle Tom by now.
You have proof that those sitting democrat congresscritters didn't invoke Jesus when mentioning your candidate? Do share.
It's clear that various people -- including Obama himself -- have said things like God sent Obama, that Obama's God's servant or on a mission from God. The thing is, as Bulldog and any Christian knows, all those things can be true of a person without the person having any pretensions of being the Messiah. Heck, God can send not particularly righteous people for his purposes. And it's not as though Obama is somehow alone in being labeled as a blessing from God or someone sent by God, etc. George W. Bush was so called for most of his two terms. Palin is (though I don't think that McCain has been verymuch) and Ronald Reagan was. I wouldn't be surprised if you could find isolated references to Gore, Dukakis, and Kerry being referred to or referring to themselves as being servants of God or God sent. In short, taken of itself, that is absolutely no proof that Obama or his supporters have a messianic complex. There are just as many things depicting him as an anti-Christ. And again, I don't think those isolated things are necessarily different than how voters thought of or treated Reagan or W to name a few. If someone made a concerted effort, they probably could find W. prayer candles or graven images or W. witha halo. There's nothing I can link to to say that people didn't/don't think Palin was a messenger/servant of God? http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/2008/09/18/palin_email/ It's not a question of "you guys did it first." It's a question of: what is the standard for someone to be labeled a messiah or savior? If it's merely that someone says, or the candidate himself says, that the person has been sent by God or is doing God's work, then most candidates would fall into that category. If it's that children sing songs about them or that people make paintings or candles, again, there are lots of people who probably fill that category. It troubles me because a) I don't think there's a basis for Obama being labeled a messiah, as most of the people here realize he's a politician with flaws like any other and b) when you say someone acts as though they are a messiah, it's presumptively false, which basically is equating them with the Anti-Christ. I don't really like that link. It's not hyper racism. It's just a question. Which you should be able to answer, right? The implication is that some parts are anti-America. I think it's just as foolish for people to act as though the Midwest or the South have all the real American virtues as to think the Midwest is "flyover country" or the South are a bunch of inbred, racist hicks. There are people who hate aspects of this country in all parts of the country. But does San Francisco hate America as a whole? Hell no. You aren't too fond of San Francisco. That doesn't mean that you are anti-American or that wherever you're living these dsays is anti-American. Not at all. I think it's a facially absurd claim that there will be more turmoil in this country on race if Obama is elected than there was during the Civil Rights Years, and was wanting to see if you actually meant that. It looks like what you meant was that there would be more false claims of racism than anytime in the last 50 years.
The point Raoul, is not that anyone invokes Gawd when mentioning a politician. It's that for all the cries of the religious right, how ironic is that elected Democratic representatives made the comparison, one on the floor of Congress no less! As a matter of congressional record! For the record I'm not spinning for anyone on the right who invokes the Almighty, I just revel in the irony. You don't see the delicious irony?
I'm put off by almost any talk of God regarding politics or the practitioners. But I just don't see anything more significant regarding Obama and God than I see with any number of other politicians. It's just something that's out there. I do agree, though, that the Black Jesus thing is vaguely racist. No race has cornered the Jesus complex.
Doesn't much matter, actually -- it's other folks who ascribe it to him. My point is, if you see it, call it that, don't add the race issue, because the concept of Jesus is inherently free of race.
But the thing is, once you factor in that it's extremely improbable to get elected in modern-day America without professing some relationship with God, any irony that a Democrat did so pretty much vanishes IMO. I also think that the thing that was said about Jesus being a community organizer was not designed to elevate Barack to Jesuslike stature. The context came after Palin mocked community organizers. The response is meant to convey this person many of us follow was a community organizer. Therefore how can you mock that linen of work. It'd be like if someone said, "Farmers are all lazy rubes who are living off the government dole." If I then say, well God likens himself to being a farmer, that isn't meant to elevate you or any other farmer to Godlike stature [although maybe I should ]
You don't think that if noted Fundie Senator Tom Coburn likened a Republican candidate to Jesus in any way, shape, or form, on the floor of the Senate, that there wouldn't be cries of an impending theocracy? For one thing it would provide MSNBC with programming for a week. Were we subject to breathless story after breathless story on whether Tennessee (noted Bible Belt state) Rep. Steve Cohen is a creationist, whether he believes in the rapture or if Jesus served the community on the back of a t-rex? Let's not forget the last part of the quote, "Pontius Pilate was a governor," what sort of stature was he invoking there? If all you have left is a comparison to Jesus, it violates some version of Godwin's Law.
