Obama is MY President

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  1. Scott Hamilton Robert E Ron Paul Lee

    Scott Hamilton Robert E Ron Paul Lee Straight Awesome

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    Many liberals were famous for saying they were going to "move to Canada," if Bush was elected. Even more said "he's not my president." Those statements infuriated me at the time, as they showed a petty anti-Americanism. These people cared only about themselves, and nothing for the country that allowed them the opportunities that had shaped their lives.

    I disagree with Obama on the great majority of issues: Social spending, tax policy, foreign policy, the role of the courts, the importance of the constitution, etc. I will not lower myself though, to the point of denying that he is my president.

    He isn't my god. He isn't in control of me. He is, however, my president. As long as he obeys the laws of the land, I will support his presidency. I won't support him for reelection, but I will support the office he holds. This is for the good of the country and for the good of my family. I believe this is the stance that everyone should take.

    I am not happy this morning, but I am an American. Like John McCain said last night, THAT is the most "meaningful association" I have ever had.
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    I still remember John Wayne saying at one point that he was part of "the opposition--the loyal opposition."

    For too many years that has been forgotten. It's time that people realized that tearing the country apart is even worse than having a president whose policies don't suit you.

    Those who threaten to leave the country if "their" candidate is not elected are the ones who don't understand the values of democracy. That makes them pretty un-American, IMHO.

    Of course, maybe that's easy for me to say since I spend most of my time in a foreign country myself...
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  3. ancharbro

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    I was quite proud when I heard McCain make that statement. That's the kind of political thinking we all should have.
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  4. Scott Hamilton Robert E Ron Paul Lee

    Scott Hamilton Robert E Ron Paul Lee Straight Awesome

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    Yes. Too many people get emotionally volatile when things don't go their way.

    Yes. They are welcome to leave - but please, don't be divisive on your way out.
    You work, don't you? You're an American citizen, aren't you? No big deal, my brother.
    Indeed. I like him little better than Obama, but his statement was inspiring.
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    Dan Leach Climbing Staff Member Moderator

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    Your Av says different,... might wanna update it :)
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  6. Scott Hamilton Robert E Ron Paul Lee

    Scott Hamilton Robert E Ron Paul Lee Straight Awesome

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  7. Scott Hamilton Robert E Ron Paul Lee

    Scott Hamilton Robert E Ron Paul Lee Straight Awesome

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    gul Revolting Beer Drinker Administrator Formerly Important

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    I agree with your position somewhat, but also disagree somewhat. I always accepted that Bush was president, but I also felt that some of his policies were the wrong choice, and that the patriotic response was to question those policies. If we adhere to the loyal opposition idea that Async mentioned, there is room to accept and support the man holding the office and to also be against some of his decisions. I would hope that you would do the latter along with the former.
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  9. Scott Hamilton Robert E Ron Paul Lee

    Scott Hamilton Robert E Ron Paul Lee Straight Awesome

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    Of course I will disagree with the policies. I won't smear the office of the presidency like many liberals did during the Bush years.
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    gul Revolting Beer Drinker Administrator Formerly Important

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    I guess I'm not clear on what you are saying. What do you mean by smear the office?
  11. Scott Hamilton Robert E Ron Paul Lee

    Scott Hamilton Robert E Ron Paul Lee Straight Awesome

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    Make statements such as "He's not my president." Petty, underhanded stuff that just shows the immaturity of the speaker.
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    gul Revolting Beer Drinker Administrator Formerly Important

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    Okay -- I guess I never noticed much of that sort of thing.
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    I.E. Won't wish for his death publicly, say "God DAMN America", and burn effigies of him.
  14. faisent

    faisent Coitus ergo sum

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    Bush smeared the office of President enough that I never felt that I needed to help him. He was a horrible president; there's very few Republicans here that really support him and with good reason.

    Sweeping emotional statements are made by both sides all the time; its pointless to point that out 99% of the time, but I'll do so here. How is your issue any more poignant than the Obama/Hitler avatars or the constant demeaning of the words "liberal" or "conservative"?

    Remember, both of sides are bad at keeping a level head - and this is intentional by the parties - emotional issues "Marxist", "Socialist", "War-monger", "Infanticide", "Gays", blah, blah, blah, blah is exactly what the two parties are using to keep there from being any intelligent debate and progress while things go down the shitter.

    A plague on both your houses.
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  15. Scott Hamilton Robert E Ron Paul Lee

    Scott Hamilton Robert E Ron Paul Lee Straight Awesome

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    Yes, that's it in a nut shell.
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    gul Revolting Beer Drinker Administrator Formerly Important

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    Well there is always that fringe, and I expect that will continue with Obama as President. But I'm not seeing that sort of sentiment as mainstream either from liberals or conservatives. I thought Apostle meant something else.
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    Scott Hamilton Robert E Ron Paul Lee Straight Awesome

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    To you, gul, what does it mean to respect the office of the president?
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    gul Revolting Beer Drinker Administrator Formerly Important

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    For starters, it means knowing the difference between a King and an elected servant. The president is our president because he is supposed to work for us. He isn't something to be revered just because he has that job.
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    Scott Hamilton Robert E Ron Paul Lee Straight Awesome

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    So you see no difference between the office and the office holder?
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    gul Revolting Beer Drinker Administrator Formerly Important

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    Didn't say that. In fact, what I said was pretty much the opposite of it.
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    Didn't know you could feign some class ;)
  23. Scott Hamilton Robert E Ron Paul Lee

    Scott Hamilton Robert E Ron Paul Lee Straight Awesome

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    Yes, he is. Hiding your head in the sand will just get sand in your beard, boy. :bergman:
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    Once again, respect is not given, respect is earned.
  25. Scott Hamilton Robert E Ron Paul Lee

    Scott Hamilton Robert E Ron Paul Lee Straight Awesome

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    He won the election. He has earned the respect the office entails.
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    He's not hiding his hand in the sand. He's just saying that he doesn't consider Obama his president. I myself don't feel he should have even been nominated based on his lack of record of accomplishment. I feel someone that aspires to hold the highest office in america should at the very least spend some time holding an elective office and making tough decisions before even thinking about running.There is no chicken buttons in the white house to hide behind.So, no I don't consider him my president either. If some major catastrophe happens, then of course I'll support the president. But I'll never consider him my president.
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    Paladin Overjoyed Man of Liberty

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    Whether one claims the President as one's own is irrelevent. He is still by law the President and any objections one has to that mean nothing.
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    He is THE President. He is not MY President.
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  29. gul

    gul Revolting Beer Drinker Administrator Formerly Important

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    Yeah, actually, your version is much better. And as The President, he works for you and me. We should of course give him a performance review from time to time.
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    Sokar Yippiekiyay, motherfucker. Deceased Member

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    I'm looking forward to submitting mine in 2012.

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