Why Do People Give A Rat's Ass About Diversity?

This one is the problem. If it turned out that the best soldiers tended to be lesbian phillipino albinos, then why exactly should our military look any other way?

It's just another example of social engineering.

We've traded excellence for diversity - and if you might have noticed, we are falling back toward the pack while we do it.

There's two primary problems in the job environments I've been in during the last 20 years - both of them resulting in unqualified people being put into positions they can't handle, and it does create bitterness and resentment. One being nepotism, the other being diversity, which really just means promoting people due to the color of their skin.

The work still has to get done, and yes, that pisses the people off who now have to do more of it.

It's especially galling because it's so fucking hypocritical - we've been told for decades that race should not be a factor in society. But now we are being told that's a lie, race IS a factor, and we have to discriminate to make it right.

It was racist to say that states weren't allowed to have segregated schools?

IMHO, diversity breeds growth. Particularly in the private sector but in the case of the military, could you imagine a US Armerd Forces without any Arab of Muslims fighting a war against Arabs and Muslims? How would we gather intelligence? How would we get insight? Pay someone off? Rely on the CIA?

The reasons the Army overlooked Hasan was multi-faceted, but an over emphasis on diversity wasn't a factor.

No.

I'm not arguing for separate but equal schools. I agree with the Brown v. Board of Education decision.

My problem lies with the [GOOGLE]Swann v. Charlotte-Mecklenburg Board of Education decision[/GOOGLE].

My hairy white ass.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=120540125&ps=cprs
http://www.npr.org/documents/2009/nov/hasanletter.pdf

This officer was repudiated for proselytizing his patients, had a poor work ethic and had to make up extra time for not seeing the required number of patients (1/10th the normal for the time period in question), wouldn't answer his page in emergencies, had low test scores, skipped exams, and even let a psychotic patient escape and did not report it.

I know I wouldn't get a promotion at the end of that period of time. This guy was promoted several times. A major and had evals like this?

One of his classmates said that he had no idea how the guy even got into the program with scores like his.

Here's a Time magazine article that explicitly states several classmates of this idiot state that it was political correctness that caused this incident:
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1940011,00.html

Another article that specifically states one of his classmates believes that PC led the Army to ignore his rampant anti-Americanism:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,573469,00.html

This is pretty much the poster child case for the anti-PC movement, and a significant issue of PC is diversity even over qualification. This would seem to be the zenith of that philosophy.

Disagree - here's how The Army works:

You get promoted (or even keep your job) by your paperwork. There are several places on your NCOER (enlisted) and OER (officer) for "supporting and promoting Equal Opportunity and Diversity" and "being a team player".
Low ratings in these areas are the kiss of death. It doesn't matter what good things you do....this will kill you.

Who wants to be the guy to put his career at risk by making a big deal over kicking this guy out with no tangible evidence, and having it backfire?

The Army is critically short of Mental Health Professionals - that is another factor at hand here.

If this guy was lily-white? Getting him fired or removed from his position would have been much, much easier. Been there, done that many times.

QFT

It's a sad day for any organization when it puts anything above the truth. The truth was that this guy was barely qualified for what he was doing and he was making anti-american comments. But the truth doesn't matter when "diversity" is at stake. I think we need to move in the opposite dierection -- less "diversity" and more excellence. The army of all places needs to be a meritocracy, becuase if people are incompetant in the army, other people die.

Forced segregation is always racist, no two ways about it.

I agree yet forced diversity does not.

So you think that forcing people to be around folks that they wouldn't naturally be around and interrupting their lives breeds happiness?

That is the opinion of someone from the Midwest, a place LACKING diversity. I grew up in the Midwest and now I live in an urban southern town. You're naive.

^Gotta agree with Apostle here.

I agree with the Brown decision as a matter of law and principal.

Beyond that "separate but equal" schools were in fact "separate" but grossly unequal.

But.

One has to wonder if forced desegregation of schools actually led to INCREASED SEGREGATION of other parts of society.

So called "white flight" where the wealthier and middle class parts of the white community moved out of areas and congregated in largely white suburban areas.

The results have been schools and communities largely of one race yet again in many areas and communities stripped of their wealthier and more successful members.

Not to mention the explosive growth of the private school movement which are pretty exclusionary on their own.

Brown would have been awesome if it had increased the quality of black schools instead of decreasing the quality of MOST schools.

Which has morphed into "black flight" around here. My neighborhood is getting a lot of blacks that moved from "the other side of the tracks" so their kids could be safe at school and playing outside their homes.
I don't blame them a bit! If a black neighborhood was safer I'd move there - haven't found one yet, but they must be out there somewhere.

It's getting thick already.

More a matter of than anything else. I detest the portrayal of economic disparity as racial oppression. You live in a poorer neighborhood, you pay less in property taxes, YOUR KIDS GO TO THE SHITTIER SCHOOL. How is it fair to the people who pay higher taxes to make them pay for the better school but watch their kids get bused to the ghetto?

Stereotype much?

Where do you think Detroit is?

I try not to think about Detroit.

I see no value in diversity simply for diversity's sake.

If I run an engineering firm, do I want a diversity of IQs (morons as well as genuises)? No. Do I want a diversity of attitudes (slackers as well as self-motivated)? No. Do I want a diversity of performance (low output as well as strong contributors)? No. Do I want a diversity of skin colors (black, yellow, white, etc.)? Who cares? It's irrelevent to the task at hand: operating an engineering firm. If I wind up with X blacks and Y whites or all whites or all blacks, I couldn't care less. Diversity is not an objective.

The only value to diversity is that it is impossible to cover all bases with the same background. I would like my firm to have people with a wider variety of skills and job experiences. But that's not the kind of diversity usually being discussed...

Brings a tear to me eye.

A dozen people brutally gunned down?

I thought that was just an insignificant statistic.

Just that breed of PC bullshit is usually what "diversity" is a euphemism for. There is no place in the military for diversity. It is meant to be a unified instrument of warfare, not a social club.