"Children won't know what snow is"

Worth a chuckle. The CRU in March 2000 saying that snow in Britain is a thing of the past.

http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/snowfalls-are-now-just-a-thing-of-the-past-724017.html

In the meanwhile the last two years the UK has been hammered, with mortalities due to cold up significantly, and this year is looking to be the coldest in two decades.

Correction - last years winter (which went to the beginning of March 2009) was the coldest since 1995 in Great Britain. This years is unknown, but is far under the projections by the Met to this point.

Did he specify "by the end of the decade"? He did not. He's talking about several decades away.

Also, from whence comes the assertion that this year will be coldest in two decades?

The [-]great[/-] fake weather prophet thus spoketh in 2000. In 2010 he was revealed as full of

Lil Flow's gonna get locked out of her house for the blizzard, I'm guessing...

An obvious croc of hubristic shit. But it would have been an obvious croc of shit even when it was written in 2000.

Hamleys have no sledges for the first time ever? Whoa.

you don't think it is a croc of shit? Or you can't read?

I was in England for more than 2 years about 20 years ago and it only snowed once and it was a very wet and slushy 1/4" or so and was soon gone. The fact that they have the warm currents from the gulf stream coming that way and the warm wet air is what keeps that place from being a lot colder. I knew exactly each time it snowed because I maintained weather equipment and snow had to be immediately removed from some equipment for it to work. Black ice was much more of a problem for cars and planes.

For what it's worth, according to the National Weather Service, 877 new snowfall records were set in the last week. That's on top of the 815 new records set during the week of December 13th.

Is 'within a few years' by the end of the decade? Or do they do math differently in your neck of the woods.

Oh, and I was referencing the wrong snowfall - the Met said last winter was the coldest since 1995.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/7921230.stm

Of course, they had predicted a warm winter that year.

They predicted a milder winter this year - and so far it's not panning out.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/topics/w...-as-predictions-of-mild-winter-fall-flat.html

But I'm sure they will end up being right. They are the experts after all. We have to listen to their wisdom.

The one snow record I remember was in 1984. I was in San Antonio Texas for basic training. We got 13.5 inches of snow. Biggest snow in recorded history, first snow in over 100 years and only the second snow ever recorded. You talk about a major city shut down, and a base that was crippled, that was it. Many kids around there had never seen snow and they got their chance, many adults too.

Of course the fact there's two more months of winter to go should not in anyway be taken to suggest that we can't draw conclusions about how warm/cold or wet/dry it has been/will be in relation to predictions.

If you want to take it as a matter of faith feel free.

But the Met was wrong about last winter, wrong about the summer, and wrong to this point about the winter.

I am sensing a trend in their recent forecasting capabilities.

Oh, here's Roger Pielke, a respected climate science, on the shortcomings of the Met's recent seasonal forecasts:
http://pielkeclimatesci.wordpress.c...office-on-their-seasonal-weather-predictions/

The Met's own comments on the fact they didn't do a bang up job with their predictions:

Ironclad science this is.

Winter started what, a week ago? And the weatherman was saying that Minnesota is already halfway to their average snowfall for the year. I guess sending Obama to Copenhagen worked out in the end. All he had to do was show up and express his concern about Global Warming and Mother Nature made it go away for us.

Jesus where to start with you.

A. How am I taking anything as a matter of faith when I said you can;t damn a seasonal forecast until the season is over (or at least most of the way through). You know, when there's evidence and no need for taking anything on faith...

B. The prediction of seasonal forecasts is not the same, not using the same data, as broader predictions of climate for decades hence. They're not really related.

C. I'm not sure if you really understand the nature of these forecasts. For example, they did not 'predict' a barbeque summer in the sense that the media stories would suggst. They predicted a 65% of high temperatures which someone at the Met office was stupid enough to translate as barbeque summer for the sub-editors. That is all they ever do - say there is an X, Y or Z % chance of certain conditions.

Worth even more than a chuckle. California is in the process of passing new rules that restrict TVs - and all of America will soon be prohibited from owning light bulbs that give off warmth, so that both don't contribute to global warming, which today more than ever seems to be a fiction created from whole cloth to satisfy self-serving agendas of politicians to get reelected and fund 'green' jobs (and quacker-scientists for grant money and public funding).

Spain and Germany spent billions on solar power before they learned that it costs over 1.8 jobs to create 1 job prompting both to abandon such an expensive way to win green voters. And as they abandoned solar, Obama and the suckers of America took up the slack. All from what now seems to be just a fiction created from whole cloth to satisfy self-serving agendas of politicians to get reelected and fund 'green' jobs (and quacker-scientists for grant money and public funding).

National and global policies are being set or changed, all because of what now seems clearly a fiction created from whole cloth to satisfy self-serving agendas of politicians to get reelected and fund 'green' jobs (and quacker-scientists for grant money and public funding).

Going to have to run to work, so I only have time to address the last one (it took a 30 sec google search).

http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/corporate/pressoffice/2009/pr20090430.html

The Met is the one who said 'barbecue summer' in their press release on their website.

If you want to point out that some Met PR person 'value added' the science, you'd just be making my point for me.

I didn't say they didn't say it! I explicitly said they did! The point is that the phrase doesn't accurately reflect the detailed prediction they made.

All I know is there has not been a single hurricane hit the US since the annointed one has been elected

To quote a character on Hannah Montana

"So what if my kids never see a polar bear?

I've never seen a dinosaur and you don't see me whining about it!"

It's possible that Britain could cool down as a result of global warming.


Hope this helps

Has anyone pointed out the fact that this winter was mild til about a three weeks ago then we got this cold snap, we don't get snow in the south of england in December normally.

If we are really lucky we get a light dusting in feb/march for a few days at the most every 12-16 years.

Now you can go back to Demiurge ranting about global warming.

Is 'within a few years' a quote from any scientist? It seems to me to be the words of the journalist.

Anyway, good on you for correcting your other statistic. Of course, "coldest winter in 15" isn't nearly the same thing as "coldest year in 20", and it's significance rather dubious.

Dallas had their first white Christmas in how long? And Houston has also seen snow.

Iowa had their worst blizzard in decades a few weeks back.

We dug out of our biggest December snowfall in over a hundred years just last week.

Al Gore and his ilk can STFU.

Yeah, yeah, yeah... the world is gonna end in 2012, the Sphinx was built by aliens, and Mountain Dew lowers your sperm count. You global warming people aren't the first to invent the fairy tale.

So you don't like Al Gore so you've opted for some sort of bizarre reverse-Gore stupidity homage?

"The North Pole is disappearing!"

"So? This winter has more snow, therefore it is colder!"

I'm not going to make any claims for or against GLOBAL WARMING, because I don't have the skill set to do so, but the anecdotal evidence and logical fallacies in this thread are utter inanity.

What a tool. Hoist by his own petard.