The Overton Window

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  1. Tripartisan

    Tripartisan try pola DIS oda!

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    Apologies --it was never my intention to startle you.
     
  2. Diacanu

    Diacanu Comicmike. Writer

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    The problem as I see it, with things like Glenn Beck books, or the BP oil spill....there's no guilt attached to capitalism anymore.

    The boomers had some for awhile, but that's all gone.

    I blame rap.
    All them damn "all about the Benjamins", type songs.
    Ruined a generation.

    Tch.
     
  3. Raoul the Red Shirt

    Raoul the Red Shirt Professional bullseye

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    I assume you're mostly joking.

    But when was there any more guilt attached to capitalism then now? When slavery was legal? When child labor was legal? When "The Jungle" was written? When Jim Crow was legal?
     
  4. Diacanu

    Diacanu Comicmike. Writer

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    Good points.

    I guess it's just I'd really like to see something like this,....

    http://www.theonion.com/articles/i-dont-even-want-to-be-alive-anymore,11521/
     
  5. Jamey Whistler

    Jamey Whistler Éminence grise

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    Oh....you're joking. I get it!

    You couldn't actually have been serious with a statement like this.

    Good one, Dickie. :lmao:
     
  6. garamet

    garamet "The whole world is watching."

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    These days anything that might be guilt-inducing has been moved offshore. As long as it's not American kids working in the sweatshops, Americans don't have to worry their pretty little heads about it.
     
  7. Lt. Mewa

    Lt. Mewa Rockefeller Center

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    Good progression but you probably lost a few people with "The Jungle".
     
  8. Diacanu

    Diacanu Comicmike. Writer

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    They can Google it.

    Or, pay attention in school, like I did.
     
  9. Nova

    Nova livin on the edge of the ledge Writer

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    Dunno. Can't remember the last time I heard Beck even indirectly refer to sexual morality of any sort.I'm sure being a true-blue Mormon he doesn't share my opinion but he's never on the soapbox about it.

    If his book is anything like his rhetoric, it's Progressives he'll be zooming on. On one of the comercials for the book on his radio show he says, bascially, "since 'I' started this book I've had to change it several times because the far out stuff I was creating as fiction keep actually happening - I only hope the books eventual ending doesn't come true as well"

    Judging by that, I'd say there's a fictional George Soros manipulating a "Manchurian Candidate" type president and etc...
     
  10. Diacanu

    Diacanu Comicmike. Writer

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    Nah, he's not on a soapbox or nothin.
    He'd just jab you in the neck with a hypo full of poison if his horrible nightmare dystopia ever came to pass.

    Nah...I'm just being silly.

    He'd have goons do it.
     
  11. Nova

    Nova livin on the edge of the ledge Writer

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    What do you think Cap & Trade is gonna do?
     
  12. Nova

    Nova livin on the edge of the ledge Writer

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    See, it's over-dramatic blather like that which makes you so easy to dismiss.

    It's like you don't WANT to be taken seriously.
     
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  13. Diacanu

    Diacanu Comicmike. Writer

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    And send you running into the welcoming arms of a serious customer like Beck, eh?
    :diacanu:
     
  14. Nova

    Nova livin on the edge of the ledge Writer

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    the irony of someone who posts the hyperbole you do even considering mocking Beck is pretty darn rich.

    That's not to say Beck isn't hyperbolic many times but he's a rank amateur compared to your skills.
     
  15. TheLonelySquire

    TheLonelySquire Fresh Meat

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    I don't want to be alive anymore? Sure that's not a link to the latest Trekker4747 thread?
     
  16. Diacanu

    Diacanu Comicmike. Writer

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    (Hand over head)
    Vweeew!!!

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  17. garamet

    garamet "The whole world is watching."

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    I'm sure it will be a contributing variable, but its impact will vary by industry. Sweatshops don't produce as much pollution as, say, pharma manufacturing, and most pharma has already established its overseas plants. What will impact them more will be rising salaries and expectations in their Chinese and Indian employees. When your guy in Bangalore wants to be paid as much as your guy in Cincinnati, you start wondering if you should bring jobs back to the States...as many, many customer service providers have discovered to their dismay.

    Will cap and trade motivate U.S. manufacturers to bring heavy industry, etc. back home? I guess that depends on how much they've invested in infrastructure overseas.


    Oh, and the gay reference? Just going off apostle's assumption upthread, despite the fact that it's waaaay more his agenda than Beck's.

    You may be right about the Soros-like character, though. There are probably a lot of in-jokes, too. Everyone who's ever picked on Beck since junior high will have a cameo appearance as a villain.

    Writers don't get mad. We get even. :diablo:
     
  18. Nova

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    I wasn't speaking of any specific industry there - I was referring to the general principle that if you limit the emissions in the U.S. without it applying EXACTLY the same ceiling to every other country, then the net improvement in pollution is nil. Those who need to pollute to reach their desired level of profitability will just do it elsewhere.
     
  19. garamet

    garamet "The whole world is watching."

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    Yeah, I got that. And I tend to see cap and trade as a sop to the business community from legislators afraid to piss them off and lose their votes and their campaign contributions. It's hard to find a more salient example of Luke 8:18 in contemporary practice. ;)