92,000 Afghanistan war documents leaked

Is this how War 2.0 works?

Excellent. Controlling the information that gets out about their operations is one of the major reasons that they're able to get away with what they do. This will allow people to make up their own minds. Bravo Wikileaks.

I think Ricky just creamed himself.

Get away with what exactly?

We know and don't care about the collateral damage, and if you're claiming there's anything more sinister at hand, you're mad.

I suggest that many do care, and have both the nature and scale of what is going on in Afghanistan concealed from them by the the military and a very co-operative media hiding behind the usual patriotic slogans.

Does anyone over the age of ten NOT understand the concept of not telling the world exactly how you fight?

Is trying not to tip your hand to your opponent that difficult a concept to grasp?

As for the media being on the side of the war....are you crazy? :unconvinced:
The media (left + right wings) do support the people fighting it.....you bet your ass, and they should support our military even if they don't like the way the war is going (or that we are waging it at all.)

But if any leaked documents endanger one coalition member you are a traiterous weasel, period.

Thankfully most peoples minds are already made up, so this new data will not change anyone's opinion...and classified or not, the leaked intelligence is probably already "common knowledge" at this point....at least I hope so.

Sure, but they're neither the majority or have the capability to do anything about it.

Everyone here knows why we're in Afghanistan, and with a Democrat in the White House, there's no way either party will adopt an anti-war stance.

When Drones Fail

"This is what it sounds like........when drones fail... do dee dee do...do dee dee dee do do"

I'm more disturbed that a low level conflict in a piss ant country like Afghanistan would actually produce 92,000 classified documents.......

This remains to be seen.

They will do so if there is enough pressure.

Pretty sure I know more about American politics than you do.

Appealing to your own authority isn't a very clever tactic. Anyone who argues any topic believes they know best about it.

Can we alll just buy Rick that banjo + cap so he can begin his folk/protest singing career?

You're right, I do believe that.

1. being wholly unqualified to judge from my own experience how these matters are properly conducted, I will refrain from playing monday-morning quarterback to those who do

2. I'm not the only person here, and posting in this thread who is thus unqualified.

3. The odds are, in my estimation, very high that the folks at WikiLeaks are likewise unqualified.

4. Honestly, there is fuck all we can do about it. Neither political party is going to take a radically different tack than they are presently doing, since they realize that this will cost them an election, and they care more about winning elections than being right, and have done so for a very long time.

5. Most Americans have known for quite some time that there's been problems with US policy in Afghanistan. The hard part is in knowing the right thing to do. I don't believe anyone's managed to corner the market on that, nor do I believe that doing the right thing will not result in the deaths of a lot of innocent people. Its an unfortunate result of war and if more people remembered that, we might have fewer of them, but I suspect the odds of that happening any time soon are slim to none.

7. there are wide and long swaths of Planet Earth in which your choices, essentially, are these:

a. do something. result = people get killed
b.do nothing. result = people kill each other and sometimes try to kill you, in short, people get killed.

bottom line, you can't civilize folks that don't want to be civilized.

Hell, it would be one major fucking job to civilize MEXICO - let alone Afghanistan.

Rick's masturbation material:

http://wardiary.wikileaks.org/

Seriously?

Beyond the hilarity of someone who lives in a small town in Arkansas calling anywhere piss ant, lets run some basic numbers:

US forces first entered Afghanistan in October 2001. This means ground operations have been ongoing for around 4650 days. Or when you spread those documents out there have been around 20 produced per day. You don't think that forces engaged in a country of almost 30 million people could have some documentation along with them? Or do you think the US army just backs a dump truck up to the border and piles the troops in with orders to fend for themselves and come back when they find some terrorists?

So in short "BLAHHHD!! ", right?

"in short" isn't adequate but if you want it "in short" for your attention span, here ya go:

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Worked for me! That's why I only did six months versus a year.....I bagged my limit right away!

As a fan of government transparency, this is good to see - none of it appears to endanger current efforts beyond embarrassment - and it's a pity it has to be leaked to reach the public eye.

From various accounts it appears to confirm a few things we already knew:

1) We fucked up post-invasion
2) The ISI are still playing silly bastards in the region, and maybe it's time US intelligence agencies started offing ISI agents at every available opportunity
3) People die in wars

You heard General President Chris, everyone. Get back out there in your fucking desert boots & fatigues with that gun. We're all pulling double shifts until our legs get blown off.

Thank fuck General President Chris is charge!

We've already got one soldier that was leaking things through this source, right? We should execute him by firing squad today. Everyone that we catch leaking classified material gets shot--and that includes Pentagon staffers and Democrat Senators--until it becomes understood that fucking around with classified material is nothing to fuck around with.

You don't get to decide whether or not something is classifed. If you have an issue with it, you work the system to get it declassified--up to and including Freedom of Information Act. But unless you've got at least three stars on you shoulders you probably aren't qualified to be making calls about what is and isn't appropriate to release.

Fuck that. The public has a right to know what is done on their behalf. "Execute him" and "Only our generals are able to determine what we should know" are pretty chilling Big Brother-type sentiments.

Are you that stupid, you ignorant twat?

The effects of what you're saying are "The enemy has the right to know exactly how to dismantle the security and intelligence forces acting on behalf of the public."

Idiots like you scare me. You're an enemy to freedom, civilization, and brains.