Smoking on campus

But the cars driving up and down that road are not polluting your air at all? If you want to hate people then hate them, don't use smoking as an excuse, because there are other forms of pollution in the air.

That's why we regulate car exhaust too. Smog checks and all that are actually good for you and the environment.



Tamar and TKO have the right of it in this thread. Private facilities=they can ban smoking if they fucking want to.

The corporate campus I work at is smoke free also. I live right across the street, but I still need to ride my bike to work it's such a large campus. If someone were to take their 15 minute break to walk to off campus to smoke, it would take them a half hour plus the time it took to smoke a cigarette.

FTFY

FTFY.

Smoking causes lung cancer. That, my friends, is a lot more science than Global Warming(tm). Personally I don't have a problem with someone trying to save my life. I mean, if I were drowning and someone came up and fished me out, would I bitch about them meddling in my life choices? Hell no. I'd fucking thank them for saving my stupid ass.

UA's cupidity in re this point is, irregardless, telling.

I could agree with that, except that I'm doing it on fucking purpose and it's nobody's god damned business.

Keep your grubby fucking paws off. I'm not blowing it in anybody's face. I'm not locking anybody into a confined space with me while I puff the visibility down to zero. Fuck. Off.

Meh. I'm quitting anyway when I move back to Seattle. Smokes are near $10 a pack out there and I've got better things to spend $200-$300 a month.

So while I'm here paying $15 a carton (for American Brand Swiss Made, Hajji smokes are between $5-$10), I'm gonna smoke 'em while I got 'em!

And a heaping big congratulations to all three of you for reiterating something I said in the first goddamned post.

Just keep in mind that it goes both ways. You absolutely do not have the right to dictate to the owner of that private facility what activities they should permit. If he allows smoking and you don't like it, your one and only option is to take your whiny ass somewhere else.

You go on and jump in bed with the safety nazis. I'll decide when and how I defile myself, and I don't need a bunch of sanctimonious pissants pretending to intervene on my behalf because that's the only outlet they have for "I must prevent people from doing things I don't approve of! "

[uncle albert mode]You can smoke, you pretentious cowardly little Nazi, when you doing so does not invade my air and cause me allergic reactions.

You have as much right to smoke around me as I do to dump pepper down your nose and throat, you whiny hypocritical douche.[/uncle albert mode]

This!

I don't smoke anymore; I strictly use the e-cig. IMHO smoking is a bad habit and it can kill you.

That said, it is an individual right to decide whether or not to do it and if I go to the expense of starting or buying a business, I should be the one to decide the rules in my place of business.

This is getting into UA territory here... yeah,some people actually have a valid issue with it, but the majority of the anti smoking population really just don't want to deal and have victim authoritah on their side.

A burning stick of tobacco is not a cause of pollution any more than most people who use colognes and perfumes. 100 smokers aren't in a week able to exhale enough CO to compete with a compact car. And let's not neglect the "my need outweighs yours" attitude. (see bolded bits).

I had to deal with a woman last weekend at the festival. Her complaint was the folks in the next campsite idling their engine as it was interfering with her asthma.
"Fair enough," says I, and goes to deal with it.

Turns out, they were using the AC because of their kid having heat stroke.

Do you think that mattered to her?

This!

Cigarette smoke doesn't bother me. Colognes and perfumes take my breath away.

Fair is fair, so let's ban cologne and perfume in public.

Oh, no. It's my right to smell pretty!

Or like a Pothead/Nicotine addict?

I'll give you ten minutes in Germany in the summer...you'll change your tune!

As for tobacco smoke, I hate it. Weed smoke (though I don't partake because I won't risk my job) is awesome! Always loved it for some reason.

I still don't see why smokers should have the right to force people to smell their smoke. Like it or not, smoke harms some people. And even if the only problem is people don't want to deal with the stench...why the fuck should they have to? There is no right to convenience just because you were retarded enough to get addicted to cigarettes.

Smoke all you want...at home.

Or in your car. Or on any private property where it is permitted.

On public property the opposing interests can be segregated. Nowhere in any of this is there an excuse for people to inflict their self-importance on each other.

What about cologne or perfume?

I'd rather smell their deodorant than their BO. But, I agree with the perfume and aftershave.

And, buses and trucks and all those other diesel burning, carcinegenic projecting beasts that roll up and down the road.

While I smoke I wouldn't support rolling back the bans or tax hikes.

UNLESS the state completely removed itself from Healthcare. No more Medicaid, Medicare, or requirement that hospitals treat those who can't pay. Unless smokers completely pay for their own healthcare then it'd be fiscal suicide to NOT try and stamp it out.

Same goes for shit food.

If people want the government to pay for their healthcare, they need to be prepared for the state to control their health.

Nothing that begins with "I'd rather.." amounts to an imperative or prohibition for another person. Either it infringes on your rights, or you have no complaint.

And no, dealing with smoke in a privately-owned establishment does not infringe on any rights. Nor does being prohibited from smoking under those same circumstances.

yet non smokers want it banned in all public spaces... you're right though, the smoke does harm people. About a billionth of what an hour's traffic on a residential street does per year. Get over it... the second hand smoke angle is just that, an angle.
You want an annoying, unhealthy smell to get rid of? Start with KFC.

You've got it backwards, though. We're forcing people to participate in government health care, then using the cost as an excuse to interfere with and/or manipulate personal freedoms.

strangely enough, tobacco taxes cover a good chunk of what our healthcare costs are here.
I think of the 75% taxes in the price as an investment in my future oxygen tank addiction.

or a fat guy sweating out too many hoagies?

As I sit here vaping on my Riva 510, I can't help but notice the increasing bans on e-cigs as well. Mark it down, this will be the next target for these self-important douchebags' agenda.

The funny part is that the vapor from e-cigs is completely harmless. These people expose themselves in trying to ban them by revealing that it's really just looking at someone smoking that bothers them. It has nothing to do with health problems for others...THEY WANT TO REGULATE YOUR LIFE!!!