No it's not the Onion.

Given the kind of hyperbole I hear around here about the role that private individuals have on job creation, it's anything but obvious that's what he meant.

I was trying to be nice, but instead you STILL have to be a rotten little dick. So I take back what I said about my wording being less that clear, it was crystal clear. You and Jenee (surprise) are simply idiots.

Now that we've got that established, we can move on.

Pot. Kettle. Black.

I've gotten nothing but viciousness from you in the past for no real reason other than you disagreeing with my politics, and now you act the victim?

Go fuck yourself you pompous cunt.

Sean has been quite nice to you. Really, you just suck as a person.

You've DEFINITELY got me confused with someone else, unless you're referring to WAYYYYYYYYYYYY back when you first started posting. If that's the case, EVERYONE was vicious to you, because you were a pompous, know-it-all, smartass, dickhead to everyone. Once you grew up and mellowed out, I left you alone. I can't remember doing shit to you since.

In fact, remember when you got your phone stolen and we all (unjustly) piled on you? If you recall, I was the only one that started a thread to publicly apologize.

Stick that in your pipe and smoke it.

It's still not true. Without his capital, those businesses could have and would have found other ways to start. Perhaps, on the outset, not on as grand a scale, but those businesses still could have been started.

And, give me a break about what a sweetheart of a guy you are. I've been reading your posts here and at TNZ for 5 or 6 years.

I can think of lots of reasons why higher taxes could result in more hiring (beyond the OP's no one is left to buy my shit explanation). In Germany, which has a much lower unemployment rate than the US, high taxes are extracted for withdrawing money from a company (either in the form of dividends or as salaries) but reinvesting profits is given a very generous tax deduction. That means withdrawing money results in huge tax penalties but reinvesting money results in big tax deductions. The end result is that German companies constantly reinvest in their business instead of take money out as profits. This means employment increases and even marginally profitable businesses get capital so there is greater expansion of business and greater employment growth. The downside is this means there is less new money being invested but it also means much. much more money gets reinvested.

Reality is way more complicated than some dumbass talking point. Tax and economic policy is complicated and anyone who says other wise is a tard who needs to get laughed at.

Good luck on getting Big Business to sign off on that. And as long as the buying and selling of elections are legal you will have to have their approval.

The point it, he DID invest his capital, and he DID kickstart those companies and he DID create those jobs.

And I treat you like a moron, yes? News flash! You're a fucking moron. I treat people the way they deserve to be treated.

I have serious philosophical, religious, and political difference with John, for example, but I have always treated him with kindness and respect. Same with, for example, Robert Maxwell at TBBS. I couldn't be farther apart politically from someone as I am from him, but I've always been cordial. He's neither an asshole nor a retard, so I don't treat him like either.

The government doesn't need to listen to big business. They 'choose' to listen to big business.

So, basically, if they're like Colmes around you, it's cool.
Anything less than meekness, and they're "a retard and an asshole".
Yeah, I see how that goes....

Anyone who fails to grasp the simple concept that if person x spends money to create business, business grows, business hires people, therefore business created jobs....and person x is a venture capitalist, therefore venture capitalists can help create jobs.....they are a fucking idiot.

Apparently Jenee is that person who fails to grasp that SIMPLE concept. Therefore she is a moron.

Everything that I omitted from your post (except for what you quoted from me) was actually bullshit.

When the biggest single indicator of electorial success is the ammount of money pulled in, and big business as the biggest pot (and growing everyday at the expense of the middle and lower classes) then yes, the people who get elected do HAVE to listen to big business.

"Yes, sir".

Last time I checked, electoral success is still related to the most votes; not the most money. Businesses don't pull the lever.

Nope, they just build and design the lever.

I'm certainly not business educated, so could someone explain to me how businesses generally start and/or grow without capital?

Because the individual officials aren't likely to get elected without the backing of Big Business, and because they took large amounts of their money are indebted to them - especially if they want to run again and need their support again.

I have probably started more businesses than anyone here. Less than half have proven worthy of continuation., but I am experienced in the startup phase.

The answer is that they don't. Whether the founders of a business are financing themselves on savings, providing a service that is paid for up front by a customer (who is then providing the capital), or running off of funds, there is NO way that a business can function without capital.

One of the most commonly cited quotes in business is that most new businesses fail due to undercapitalization. T

Tax rates could be considerably lower if everyone was paying the same rate, instead of just people that can't afford clever accountants.

It's adorable how naive you are.

A large enough segment of the public will vote for whoever the media tells them to vote for. A larger segment of the public is easily influenced by commercials for or against a specific candidate.

You know how you get the media to say what you want, and get your commercials on the air? Money.

You know where that money comes from? Businesses.

Don't be calling people naive when you actually believe taxes will be lowered.

Canada has far fewer loopholes, and taxes keep going down here.

Socialist bastards.

Interestingly enough, even with our corporate tax rate continually going down, corporate tax revenues are either even or going up.

It can't. I have limited business education and even I understand that.

For the fucking yams.

You're asking two different quesitons here.

Many businesses can start without capital - any kind of service that someone can do - a mechanic can start a business out of his garage, a writer can write .. anything - a novel, resumes, technical manuals, an artist ... well, all he needs is to be able to draw.

Of course, all those require tools of some sort, but if the person already has the skill, chances are, he probably owns all or most of the tools to start up. Even if he doesn't, excepting in the case of the machanic, all those tools would only require saving a couple dollars from a paycheck for a couple weeks if that. Or, if one is lucky, maybe one's mother will buy paints and canvas and brushes or a computer or ... whatever.

Your second question, how does a business grow without capital ... well, that's where the profit comes in, but if one is good with money and accounting, then whatever capital is generated from the start up commitments should be re-invested into the company without any additional investment. This is how a company grows.

The same formula can be used with manufacturing, too. Look at Apple - started out in the guy's garage.

God you're a moron. You talk as though you're someone who's never started a business.

Doesn't matter if you have a pre-existing skill or not, along with all of the tools. You cannot start a business without capital. It doesn't happen. If for no other reason, you need capital to burn through all of the fucking red tape that is put in your way by the state, local and federal governments.

Put your head back up your ass and shut the fuck up.

He needs a better accountant. Most millionaires pay 15% or less.