Shot for getting skittles

So really you don't really know.

If that was the case, then you wouldn't be bringing up anything about new evidence coming to light.

No, because I'm looking at the information that's actually pertinent to what happened that night.

I have a difficult time believing that considering what you've been saying in this thread.

Yeah, because it's not like Zimmerman could have provoked something, because it's not like he went on about how "these people always get away" and chased this kid down or anything.

 

Vandy's post is a perfect example of what I said upthread. The narrative is already set: innocent little angel murdered by racist thug. Facts no longer matter, it's all ideology now.

 

All too often, the thieves do get away. My apartment in Louisville, KY was robbed in 1976. The thieves were never caught. My former home in Virginia was robbed in 1994. Those thieves stole everything that wasn't nailed down. In 1998 or 99, one of the thieves got busted for something else and confessed to everything he'd ever done. The cops had insufficient evidence other than his confession, so charges were never pressed and none of my property was ever recovered.

Yeah, these people always get away in my book too.

 

First Zimmerman's past has been in question from the beginning as was Martin's, at least to those of us who have remained in the grandstands observing instead of donning the proverbial cheerleading outfit for Martin because he was Black and a "kid".

Second, again we've been addressing the hypotheses of a myrid of possabilities from the onset and many of us have remained in the grandstands observing instead of championing a cause that is a puzzle with half the pieces missing.

Intellectually dishonest indeed.

Really? This is your stance? This is what you take from this? Wow.

Here I thought the discussion was trying to determine how a "kid" managed to end up dead and a man actually by all accounts is running for his life after the mindset of him being a racist nutjob has been perpetuated for dubious reasons at best.

Maybe there is a confusion over threads.

Jumping in you would have little to do with your opinion if it remained open ended but in the same post claim to have not ignored facts but hypotheticals.
How does that work. How does one deduce facts without encountering and addressing hypothetical possabilities?
Doesn't work that way.

Logical? That's the key word here and you have answered your own question with this. Your logic is flawed in that your continued inability to accept anything other than the concluded results you came up with days ago continue to rule your arguments without any consideration of the implications of information that continues to be made available.

Again the old saying if a frog had wings wouldn't bump his ass every time he jumped comes to mind. Of course he'd still be alive but then again if Martin had stayed his ass at home in Florida and not been suspended in the first place this thread wouldnt exist.

See how that works?

For one who claims to be going by the facts there sure seems to be a lot of emotional baggage in your arguments.

Lot of people not paying attention in here.

 

You'd think that with the credentials claimed that this wouldn't be happening with her but the track record on anything remotely racist is a train she has always run to catch.

 

"We've got to do something about those goddamn hoodies!!!"

 

Yanno, it's always useful in these matters to consider what your opinion would be if you reversed the "race" of the victim and alleged perp. Were it Zimmerman who was black and Martin a hispanic kid, would you still feel as passionately about your position?

 

Yes.

 

Well yeah I do. Zimmerman's indicated position from his 911 call and the location the incident occurred match up perfectly.

??????

Now that is a blatant falsehood.

Coming from someone who's had the noose around Zimmerman's kneck from the start. I have been far more open minded on this case than you have.

 

If you want to see something pathetic, go to: http://trayvonmartin.com/

And click that you're angry!

 

A black insurance risk analyst vs. a white kid?

 

I remember a white couple being raped and tortured to death in Knoxville a few years back.

 

That was a love crime though.

 

Yes. At the very least the police did not do a good job. Although is there a historical precedent for such a case?

 

Horrible crimes. Were they arrested? Charged with a crime? ( In the first case, if true I see no problem with charging them with a hate crime, that is entirely up to the prosecutor as to whether they think they can make the charge stick) In order for the comparison to be accurate the person who committed the crime needs to have been set free, never charged with a crime or even investigated and allowed to go home.

 

They were arrested, and I'm pretty sure, convicted. Not of a hate crime though I think.

 

More to the point, what was done to them was done simply because they were white.

There was no suspicious activity in a neighborhood plagued by burglaries on a dark night.

 

Oh Wordforge, the reactions never, ever surprise me. Somehow, no matter how egregious the case any claims of bias or unfair treatment are only true if they are coming from white people. If they are coming from other minorities it is "victimhood mentality", it's the media, it's the clothing, it's pretty much anything BUT what it actually is because that doesn't exist any more. I've been on this board for what like 8 years on and off. I have never once seen the majority of this board go "Yes, that was racism towards that person of color. We are outraged."
You guys were close in this thread, but as soon as you were given whatever rationale available you went right back to form.

 

Ahh, but many of us are saying it is racism. Just not of a type that satisfies your own prejudices.

 

So to be clear, I can be racist towards white people and even kill them for doing nothing wrong, if there was suspicious activity in my neighborhood. Say a white rapist (which actually happened in my jersey neighborhood back in the day) or serial killer? or burglaries (white people steal too!) On a dark night I would be justified in killing any white man I saw because they looked suspicious to me. I'm just trying to follow your logic.

 

Lanzman, please read my first statement again. Racism towards white people is often and regularly acknowledged on Wordforge. However, the opposite is never confirmed.

 

Hmmm....perhaps because we aren't looking for it? Racism is one of the most overused words in the modern lexicon.

 

Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't all of Martin's "incidents" sealed juvenile records that never should have been made public?

 

I think we know why that is.

 

Good point! Around here they rarely even release a juvenile's name. Then again, Martin is dead, so not really a problem with in messing up his permanent record for future employment.

 

Do shut up, you ignorant twat.

 

No, they aren't. School suspensions aren't criminal convictions. And juvenile court records aren't automatically sealed until age 18.

 

You're incorrect. You could, however, defend yourself if in the course of observing someone in your own neighborhood they attacked you and attempted to fertilize the sidewalk with your brain matter.

 

My position is that there is a period of time that we do not know what happened between the phone calls and Martin getting shot. And that the testimony of witnesses is being discounted. And that there many who claim that the whole was a racially motivated killing. And for me, the worst is that the media has already decided for us what happened by using photos and statements which initially portrayed Martin and Zimmerman in a certain light. Which is what caught the attention of the public to this whole situation.

What if I'm not angry, kids get shot everyday. Sometimes their killer tries to put them in a dumpster.

Or the white teen who was set on fire by two black teens.

And a bit of irony, the kid's last name is Coon, which most of us know is a racial term when it's uses to describe a black person.