Black Dove's big box of crazy

Your interpretation of my post is about as honest as your interpretation of the evidence for ghosts and aliens.

Not true. I've done a lot more behind the scenes research which included other historical and archeological sources and documentation. I take into account the formation of the early Christian church, the Councils of Nicea and Constantinople, and I've even studied the gnostic and apocryphal texts.

Believe it or not, I'm actually fascinated with Biblical history. Where my issues come in is the blatant misunderstanding of these ancient writings by modern religion who use it as a tool to control the masses. I also believe that many of the stories in the Bible are written accounts of real events that were passed down through oral tradition for hundreds of years. So of course there will be embellishments and misunderstands of events that may have really happened. So my beef is with religion itself, not with the history as chronicled in the Bible.

So you admit you got nothing.


Gotchya.

You know that Von Daniken is a convicted fraud who admits to manufacturing evidence and lying in his books to make them more compelling, don't you?

I've skipped to the end because I just can't take it any more.

BD, seek professional help.

There's some pretty interesting pics of ghosts before the era of photoshop. Of course, they might be double exposures, or intentional forgeries.

But then, that's the nature of the problem, isn't it? These are things that are supposed to be outside the realm of our natural sciences. I have very little doubt that a technology capable of interstellar travel would be capable of hiding from us if they wished, just as a Special Forces soldier would be extremely difficult for the Redcoats to find in the 18th century - and that's only a few hundred years difference in technology.

Ghosts? There's some weird shit out there.

I don't go along my day to day life as if these things were real, but I certainly don't think that we know everything there is to know. I know that drives Dicky bugfuck, but saying I have no proof is not saying that there's proof it doesn't exist - ESPECIALLY in areas where you have to question if our tools are sufficient to analyze the concept successfully.

Thousands of people have said they have.

That isn't sufficient for 'scientific evidence.'

You know that, so it's an exceptionally weak argument, predicated likely by your own biases.

Yeah there is a LOT and I mean a LOTTTTTTT of material written about the early church.

Some of it is even true.

Commendable, but "The Age Of Reason", would have saved you the leg work.

Elephants are physical beings. You can walk right up to one, touch it, and have it sneeze elephant snot on you if it so desired.

The anomalies most associated with "ghosts" are not physical. In fact, we have no idea what it is. It appears to be some form of energy, but it's not any type of energy that we are familiar with. It can effect the physical environment in some ways in the form of materialization as a figure or form (i.e. light energy), moving of objects, disembodied sounds or voices, etc. It happens, we have the proof. But what we don't have is anything that we can adequately study on a physical level. The physics appear to be beyond our current technology or means to measure. Just because we can't explain it doesn't mean it does not exist. We just need time to catch up with the science.

You are assuming that these "ghosts" or entities are intelligent and can fully function on the physical plane just like we do, which isn't the case at all. If anything they appear to mostly operate on another plane or level of existence, one that occasionally bleeds over into our own. Now whether these "planes" are located in time or in space is up for debate. There are stories where a person will encounter a ghost, and the ghost appears just as shocked and surprised to see them as they are the ghost. This opens up the possibility that what that person was seeing was not the spirit of a long-dead person, but instead perhaps they experienced a rip in the fabric of time where they looked just as much like a ghost to the other person who encountered them many years ago. that's just one of many possible theories.

Tell us first - when I provide you with evidence (and I will) how will that adjust your view of his claims? Will you adopt a more skeptical view, or will you brush it under the carpet?

It's astonishing that you wouldn't be informed about this already. Almost as if you didn't want to hear about it.

That all depends on the evidence you provide. I can't make any guarantees of anything until I read what you post.

But for the record, I never claimed to be an expert on Von Daniken. I know he's been attacked for his views for decades, I just never heard that he had actually been convicted of anything.

You are jumping to false conclusions that I get my beliefs from reading Von Daniken. Of course not. I've read some of his books, and I think he jumps to a lot of conclusions. I admit to being fascinated with Chariots of the Gods when I was a kid but over time I disagree with a lot of what he's said. Still, he asks some interesting questions that has caused me to research other material on the subject, and to interview other researchers such as the late Philip Coppens, Scotty Roberts and Nick Redfern.

was Hughes being credited with leading terrorist organization nor supposedly making broadcasts? THe issue isn't a lack of evidence, it's the questionable credibility of that which has been presented. If he had his man-cave happening in Pakistan all along, you'd think Al Quaeda might have sprung for a web cam so their fearless leader would be, y'know, credible?[/QUOTE]

Bull shit... gotcha politics in government is no different than gotcha politics at the office. It's just part of the game between the two parties that eventually represent the same interests. All that changes is who gets how much for the next few years.

Person 1: "Oh, my God."

Person 2: "What?"

Person 1: "Look! Look at the grass!!"

Person 2: "Oh, wow. It's been...pressed down into an interesting geometric pattern!"

Person 1: "This can only mean one thing..."

Person 1 and 2: "ALIENS!!!!!"

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If it were any other profession, you'd be fired, ruined, or even shot for that level of failure.

I feel the same way about weather forecasters.

If I were wrong half the time in my job, I'd be out of a job.

Again, you're stuck in the thinking that all matter and energy should behave exactly the same in all cases. We are dealing with an unknown form of energy, so how can we possibly expect it to play by our rules? We don't know what it's made of or how it's created. We just see the effects it has on our environment.

On many occasions we have had equipment pick up things that we did not hear or see at the time it happened, the opposite of what you are complaining about. So how could a misty manifestation appear on my video camera footage and I didn't see a thing when it happened? How can I sit in a quiet room all by myself and hear nothing, yet my audio recorder will capture a woman's voice humming a tune? We don't have the answers, but just because we don't have the answers doesn't mean this phenomenon doesn't exist at all.

That's what you've convinced yourself of because anything else threatens your belief system. It's out there waiting for you to experience it for yourself if you'd give it a chance. Only then you can truly make an informed decision on the subject.

GM did supply the engines for the DeLorean, does that mean that a flying DeLorean that goes back in time was really made and the BTTF movies were meant to be a detractor from this by taking something real and passing it off as fiction. And the radiation that Michael J Fox was exposed to is what really gave him Parkinson's?

Can we burn people at the stake because they FALSELY CLAIM supernatural powers?

"Turns out she's NOT a witch! BURN HER!!!"

crop circles?.

please everyone knows its the work of moles during the full moon.











what? its no more batshit crazy then any other theroy