Pakistan Taliban kill scores in Peshawar school massacre

As per BBC:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-30491435

Barbaric, you'll agree.

Yep, the Religion of Peace does it again.

Fuck off with that provocative straw man shit.

No religion is entirely peaceful but Islam seems the least peaceful to me. The day everyone gives up primative superstitions and embraces rationalism would be one of the best days in human history.

As far as I'm concerned these animals (all the Taliban) should be hunted down and killed slowly and then buried in the most disrespectful manner possible.

Man the Twitter accounts!

Can someone please explain again why we (North American and Europe) don't completely disengage from that part of the world until they can sort out all their stupid affairs?

(And I appreciate part of the issue is that both Europe and North America have meddled in their affairs for centuries.)

It's not a straw man.

It's a correct interpretation of the Quran. The Islamic followers who say it's wrong to kill even though the Quran commands it are the ones with the wrong interpretation.

The problem is that you, Gul and others don't want to accept that fact.

I can't answer that. I wish we would pull out. Another question is when will the people and the leadership of these countries stand up to these fuckers and realize that maybe, just maybe, we aren't the great satan?

Because as a practical measure that is impossible to do? Oh, and I never took you for an isolationist.

#BringBackOurGirls

Practically speaking, I'm not an isolationist. But centuries of Western interference in the Middle East have done nothing to help anything. I don't see any other recourse.

I firmly believe an isolationist policy in the wake of 9/11 would have done far less damage than the utter failure of Bush Jr.'s foreign policy and two senseless wars.

As they no doubt would love to do to you. And this makes you better than them, how?

He wants to kill only them.

They want to kill him, his wife after raping her, and his children after raping them. They also want to do this to you and your family even though you are not trying to kill them and say Dayton3 is wrong. To them there is no difference between Dayton3 and Tuckerfan. You're the same to them. Both will die. Along with your families. Or even worse your female family members will be sold into slavery while you die.

Perhaps, but a more subtle, targeted intervention policy would have been better still.

Is it really isolationist to disengage from one small region? I mean,we can still trade with countries and if needed, send the seals to fuck up some terrorists, but do we need to constantly involved in of ther countries'affairs? What's wrong with saying, "you know what, I'll let you deal with that." If they fail to deal with the problem, they just make it worse on themselves. I often wonder how many leaders sit back and do nothing because the know the Americans will handle it?

The difference in the cause of animosity.

Dayton hates them because they enslave, rape and murder.

They hate anyone who isn't either Muslim -- narrowly, their idea of Muslim -- or dead.

Take the worst variety of Christianity, then imagine it dialing up the proselytizing into a homicidal rampage.

"Ah!" you might be tempted to say. "The Crusades! The Salem Witch Burnings!"

Neither of those happened this week.

I think that a change is needed but disengagement is not necessarily a good option.
For one thing, it would create a power vacuum in Pakistan. The US military aid essentially guarantees the position of the incumbent regime. Without it, someone else might come to power, maybe even someone sympathetic to the Taliban.

That's how these things always start, though. "We're just going to kill this one group that we don't like." Then it expands because this other group was helping the people we don't like, so we feel we have to go after them. Then it turns out that somebody was helping THAT group, so we gotta wipe them out too.

Notice that Dayton's NOT saying we should merely eliminate the threat they pose by us, but kill them in a painful manner and bury them in the most humiliating way possible. So, he's already given up on rationality, and is letting his base emotions dictate his response. It's only a very short step from there to genocide.

What's wrong with it is the role that Persian Gulf oil plays in the world economy. The leftist peaceniks have it right when they say that ME wars are about oil. They have it wrong when they think oil isn't worth the fight. We walk away from the area and it doesn't take long for the world economy to tank. Unfortunate, but true.

Dayton3 is not in charge. You have nothing to fear from genocide.

The real fear comes from the realization that people like you refuse to accept that Islam as it is currently being practiced is a threat to humanity. It's a cancer that is spreading around the world and it's better to stop it now then later.

No. And it's a good thing people like you and Dayton aren't in charge. Your opinion is a prescription for world wide religious warfare. No thanks, and fortunately, quite unnecessary. We need to be realistic about threats to world stability and address them. We do not need to make an all encompassing effort to eradicate a major world religion practiced by 1 in 4 people.

The only policy that would have really helped the American response in the wake of 9/11 would have been a policy of allowing ballots in Florida to be counted. Any policy implemented and championed by incompetent clowns will be incompetent and clownish.

It seems to have escaped your notice, but we already have the makings of that, and will continue to have as long as the Abrahamic religions continue to be tolerated to any degree.

Here's an idea, fuck their oil, we got our own. There, problem solved. Let the money dry up and let them blow themselves up.

I don't want to eradicate it.

But I do want to smash those who follow it who refuse to reform in the same way that Christianity along with other religions has reformed.

It is not acceptable to have women as slaves because the Quran says it is okay. It is not acceptable to kill other people from other religions simply because they are a different religion from you. It's not acceptable to treat other people like dirt because they don't practice the religion you do. And so on......

Gul you're just an apologist for the death and mayhem that way too many followers of Islam are practicing.

Simplistic and foolish. Ours isn't enough, and yes, it does matter that China, Japan, India, etc. have access to oil. You can argue it's their responsibility to step up, but realistically, that's a non-starter, and do you really want to entrust China with the security of an important economic resource?

Small? Have you ever looked at a map?

Good, since that's impossible.

Probably also impossible, but at least it's a more sensible goal. Yes, extremist Islam should be blocked. That is not all Islam. When idiots like you and Dayton talk in generalities, you forget that the word extremist implies divergence from the norm. Islam is going through its reformation. That was a bloody period for Christianity, it is likewise bloody for Islam.

Agree, as would most Moslems agree. Just because it's in the holy book doesn't mean it still applies in modern times. Some Christians get that, most Jews get that, some Moslems get that.

Nope, but I do refuse to acknowledge broad brush arguments. Your post here shows some promise. You seem to get that the problem is extremists, more than the particular religious culture. But then you keep saying stupid shit hat puts you in the Dayton category. That's not a good place to be.

And then there was the Black Death, began in some part when Saracens, in trying to take over Christian cities, threw plague ridden corpses over the city walls. About 40% of Europe's population died before the disease burned itself out, circa 1350. I would call that an extinction level event. However badly crusaders behaved, they had their payback with interest. Crusades are what happens when Vikings find religion.