Pakistan Taliban kill scores in Peshawar school massacre

What evidence is there of this?

Also, how is this even really about religion? This is about one extra-state faction which happens to be Muslim attacking the children of those who run the Pakistani state, who also happen to be Muslim. It's the latest incident in a cycle of violence belonging to something akin to a civil war.

Their oil has tanked. This is almost reverse OPEC. On top of that, we don't need to import as much, and Their supplies have peaked. Oil isn't the bargaining chip it once was. Now they are holding EVERYONE hostage.

Maybe when you guys "fuck off" with defending and making excuses for them.

I view sectarian violence by the traditionalists as an indication that they are threatened by the more liberal forms. Their fight isn't really with the West, so much as an Islam that accepts the West.

I used to think "liberalism is a mental illness" was ridiculous hyperbole. I'd like to thank leftforge for correcting me.

You mean more than the like 5 times they were already counted?

Despite what its adherents would claim, Islamism isn't really traditionalist. It's an extremist and very modern reaction to the failure of Arab nationalism, among other things.

Islam = anti-Christian.

Christian ~ Conservative

you do the math.

Factually incorrect. It was Mongols who tried but failed to take over a city in the eastern Ukraine which an Italian city a tate controlled. To help speed the seige up they catapulted dead bodies and dead animals over the city wall to spread disease. Black death broke out in the city but the city didn't fall because it could be resupplied by sea.

In the Red Room?

I think not!

Obviously, drone strikes are not conveying the proper message. It's time to start capturing these people, and then doing weird shit to them. Like capture one of their leaders, then stretch his urethra and stuff an eel into his junk, then send him home with that sucker hangin' outta there.

See this crap is just stupid stuff.

Just kill them. At the same time bring tremendous pressure to bear on all the Islamic countries in the world. It's time to get your shit straight or you'll be pariahs like South Africa was in the past.

But then we won't be showing how tolerant we are and poking Christians (conservatives) in the eye at the same time.

Aw, have a sense of fun. Bizarre and demeaning treatment could be just the ticket.

"Hey, Muhammad, what do you want to do today? Want to go attack the infidels?"
"Are you kidding?! Have you heard what they do to the people they capture now?! Go ask Colonel Fishdick what happened to him! No, you leave those crazy bastards alone!"

Also:

Tali

I'm curious about the political ramifications of this attack, because for a very long time the Taliban were creatures of Pakistan's ISI, but now they are attacking the children of Pakistan's military.

ISWYDT

Another potentially amusing punishment would be to give some of them the ol' Ludovico Treatment, but with 2 Girls 1 Cup on the screen. For hours. While force feeding them.

Well, if they manage to pull off a school attack like that over here, well, Obama will say we shouldn't stigmatize or ostracize members of one of the world's great religions, and that we need to have a national dialog about assault rifles.

And Hillary would say, well, this:

Disengagement means handing control to the most aggressive and ruthless. Not only would that be grossly unjust in this particular instance, it would also set precedent for future aggressors to follow.

We've got to kill these assholes. If it takes a fifty year game of whack-a-mole to do it, so be it. This particular strain of "culture" needs to be brought to an end.

Americans have nowhere near the stomach to do what is required to truly vanquish an enemy.

Everything from Gulf War 1 on has taught American's that war isn't real, it's a video game of surgical strikes...even soldiers coming home in body bags are little more than political fodder and not real people.

That second paragraph is certainly what got some of you suckered into Gulf War II.

As for your first paragraph, you don't fight a 21st century enemy with a Cold War mindset. Got any suggestions?

Well, that's one problem on top of a bunch of others.

The West is no longer willing to fight a religious war because we left those behind and moved on. Further, we accord all religions equal validity because we got tired of killing each other over whose Biblical interpretation was correct, and then we recoiled in horror at what the Nazis did to the Jews. Then we had pangs of guilt about spreading Christianity back during the European colonization period, and pangs about the Crusades. Defending Christendom used to be the job for heroes. Now it's left to the nuts.

So due to our own history, we're unwilling to treat Islam as anything other than an equally acceptable religion plagued by a few misguided zealots. We're not seeing Islam, we're looking at ourselves and assuming that Muslims must be almost exactly the same as us but under a different brand. We might do much better if we thought of Muslims as a violent, oppressive religious cult that still followed a 7th century wacko whose band of fanatics ended up enslaving all the Arabs, along with many other people. If we held that view, we wouldn't try to interrogate enemy leaders so much as try to deprogram them.

As it is, the West is sliding toward more violent confrontations because its leaders left the issue in a vacuum. A recent march in Dresden saw 15,000 Germans in the streets protesting the Islamisation of Germany. Two-thirds of Germans don't think their government is addressing their immigration concerns, and one third do view their culture as being under assault from Islam. And once again, a potentially powerful popular movement is being led by rabble rousers because more respectable politicians don't want to touch the issues being raised, because defending Christendom is for nuts.

Disagree with your first sentence. Maybe Americans are sick of half-assing it with surgical strikes that don't work.
Maybe if we went all out balls-to-the-wall Americans could get behind that. Hate to say it but better to lose 1,000 people in one battle that crushes the enemy quickly versus stretch it out for a decade and lose 3,000 people.
What we are doing doesn't work - it hasn't worked from Vietnam up until now.
We need to shit or get off the pot.

Yep, another Cold Warrior speaks.

Now all we need is Dayton's "expert opinion" and we can go bomb Dresden.

LOL....show me how much of a stomach American's have for REAL war when we carpet bomb a village housing enemy combatants. (no, that's not the same as targeting civilians).

Real war is messy and lots of innocents die.

Do you think everyone in Hiroshima and Nagasaki were military?

Well, at least that answers Post #54.

Didn't realize you were so eager for the Rapture.

Yes, I was in during the Cold War - but who said I support old tactics?
Since it was a "cold war" we thankfully never got to really test them, so who really knows what would work at that time?
And I was in the recent war (Iraq 2003) and some of our ideas worked, some did not.