Trump wants to stop all Muslims from coming into the US

Trump's policy is sound. The U.S. has no obligation to take in any people. Period. Regardless of creed.

This is consistent with our founding documents: the 1st amendment has never applied to Syrian citizens.

Where have all the real liberals gone? Has everyone finally become a Bush-Clinton-NeoPussy?

Are there any liberals left who defend Liberalism per se?

I believe the American way of life is NOT inherently better than the Syrian way of life. I DON’T believe that European Liberalism is inherently better than Islam. Why should we try to convert everyone to American modes?

The Muslim worldview is directly opposed to the European Liberal worldview. This is so obvious to the philosophers. Can you imagine Islam producing Locke’s Theory of Mind?

Here’s the real point: the more Americans we create, the more oil we consume, factory farms we encourage, rainforests we destroy, on and on.

Wake up: The Western way of life is HARMFUL to mother nature.

America is not the fucking cloud. It’s not elastic, robust and infinitely scalable.

I miss the old school liberals who valued protecting the environment, saving animals, sexual freedom, independent thought, destruction of social mores.

If you manage to find them, please tell us, because I for one like running them over in my SUV. Each bump is a testament to my Austrian built shock-absorbers, though sometimes one gets stuck in my grill!

It's a bitch to clean it. You have to use a toothbrush.

Independent thought went out when you were stripped of your ability to question global warming, even though it didn't make a lick of sense as to why colder was better than warmer as you fled from Minnesota to San Diego. And saving animals is out because they just have to be collateral damage in our attempts to stop global warming by clear cutting Southern forests to feed environmentally neutral European wood-chip plants. Fuck wildlife. There's a planet to be saved. Sexual freedom is also out. The new thing is sex slavery. A girl in prime condition shouldn't cost more than $10 or $15 dollars, especially if she's not a blue-eyed Yazidi that can sell for somewhat more? (Lot's of good deals this week. We'll talk later). Not buying, selling, and raping underage sex slaves is just one of those social mores that has to be destroyed. For too long we've been oppressed by Western Imperialists, and now is the time to say "No More! I want my underage sex slave to cost more than $15 American dollars! And I will fuck them up the ass when I want, and they will do what I say or I will lower them into a swimming pool and drown them!" (Seen that video.)

So here we are, drifting towards the last days of liberalism and political correctness, watching men bash women's skulls in or drown them in cages because the bitches won't put out for those who have captured them fairly and dismembered their fathers and husbands in front of them. Maybe men shouldn't be allowed to do whatever the fuck they want. Maybe their behavior should be tightly constrained by Judea/Christian honor and discipline, refined over centuries by countless bitches who were allowed to have a say.

Islam is basically a biker gang that got to write its own rules for pussy possession. Some girls are okay with being property of a biker, but that's not how we should do things. But that's where throwing out centuries of constant refinements of male conduct leads. We have Eloi and Morlocks going at it, metrosexuals versus decapitation squads, but we still have some actual human men who don't like what we're seeing. Many have daughters and are not going to let the darkness touch them, no matter how many bikers and biker babes have to die. In closing, the bikers will be in this 100 percent.

Holy shit, learn to use quote tags correctly!

@ gturner...

I'm defining my position as a self-indentifying liberal. Not providing you a convenient tool for peddling Republican talking points. Besides, the percentage of violent refugees is smaller than your rhetoric implies. And I just couldn't follow the whole Biker Gang, pussy-possession analogy.

Japan also has grown men sleeping with sex pillows and silicone bagels in foreheads. I'm not sure they represent the best example for how to organize society.

Trump hasn't yet used the term Master Race, has he? Yet it's clearly in his head and in his heart. At this point the only people supporting Trump are xenophobic racists. There isn't really any other way to spin it. So be loud and proud of your pure bred racist candidate, just be sure that you can meet his definition of white person.

Stop playing the fool. I was referring you to the scenario I put to you, which I linked to several times. The Scenario of the little old lady from Iran and whether or not what I describe would be inhumane.

Still, I am glad you have now confirmed you support religious discrimination. People like you are are the kind of people who enabled my grandfather's uncles, aunt and cousins to get sent to the gas chambers. You just can't see it. You're scum of the very lowest kind.

Bummer dude bummer. Where were they living when the Nazis rounded them up?

I ask this because you live in Britain and they obviously were not living there.

First, go fuck yourself.

What part of no means no do you not understand? What is your major malfunction that prevents you from processing that?

Is it from an Islamic country? Is it even nominally a muslim? Then then the anwser is no. It can stay where it is. No one has a right to immigrate and we get to decide who we allow in our country.

It is immoral to let in groups of people where a significant percentage of the people want to kill actual Americans and where a majority of those people believe horrible things which are completely antithetical to our way of life. Bill Maher got it 100% right.

Now we are referring to Moslems by the impersonal pronoun, "it". I'm not sure whether that's an improvement over animals, but I guess it's something.

Poland. My great grandfather was from a town near the Polish/Russian border and fell in love with a Russian Jewish girl, who border skipped to marry him. Thereafter they came to Britain about a century ago and settled in the East End of London, which, at the time, was a hub for immigrants, particularly Jewish people. I suspect the reason they left was the Polish-Russian war, but I don't actually know for sure as those who know have since all passed away. Those who died in the Holocaust were my great grandfather's siblings, who didn't come to the UK or otherwise emigrate, and their offspring.

My paternal ancestry is quite different. It is several generations English, before that Scottish and before that originally from French nobility (I did some of the research because I have always been quite interested in it all).

My own ancestry is why I don't buy into ethnic nationalism. Most of us come from immigrant stock one way or another.

Dinner is a Muslim? Because some Muslims were doing all they could to make sure no Jews escaped Hitler, and they wanted to expand his total genocide throughout the Middle East. They joined the SS.

“Judgment Day will not come before the Muslims fight the Jews, and the Jews will hide behind the rocks and the trees, but the rocks and the trees will say: Oh Muslim , oh servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him." Hadith pertaining to the last hours.​

So maybe its best not to let such believers spread over the whole world in numbers large enough to wipe out all Jews - everywhere.

Immigrants are fine but need to be able to adapt and assimulate into the existing culture of the country in which they wish to live. If they hold beliefs which are antithetical to our culture, which most Muslims do, or if a significant number of them wish to do violence against this country's citizens, and again many muslims do, then they as a group need to not be allowed in.

No one has a right to immigrate and we get to decide who we do or do not want to let in so stop pretending otherwise.

You can tell me to go fuck myself all you like, but it doesn't change the fact that anyone here with half a brain can see your bigotry.

So, no means no, so you would break families and let octogenarians old ladies die alone just in case such little old ladies are terrorists. Aside from the fact that such an attitude is disgracefully non-compassionate, the very notion that a little old lady is going to be a terrorist and presents a threat to America is mind bogglingly stupid.

As for "a significant proportion want to kill Americans", that's a false statement. Those that would actually murder are extremists, who are still a very small minority...and no doubt you are basing it on the Pew Research poll that Trump was serving up in his speech - the results of which, and the questions that lead to them, aren't quite as cut and dried and you or he would pretend. The questions were never about killing, but were termed as "violence", and whichever way you spin it the majority of respondents to that poll didn't favour violence (and by extension killing), therefore whichever way you spin it you're persecuting a majority for the actions of a minority. That is stereotyping and bigotry. It's also interesting to not that the majority of respondents were white or African American, so more than likely NOT immigrants, but converts who are either citizens or have residence. Finally, the poll was of only 600 people - and one assumes they were sourced from mosques and religious centres.

There are nearly 2million Muslims already in America. What are you going to do about those two million?

No one has a right to immigrate, get that through your head. Hell, New Zealand doesn't even let people over the age of 35 immigrate except by very rare circumstances and it is their country so thir rules are what must be followed. I am ok with that.

It is a sad fact that we have indeed let in many of them already. That said, that is not an argument to make matters worse and let in more. We have a big enough problem with those 2 million and their terrorist tendencies as it is.

Oh look, another post designed to give a false impression.

I'll just leave this here...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_rescue_efforts_during_the_Holocaust

That is very interesting. A book about that kind of mixed ancestry would be well worth reading.

My brother in laws grandfather was a Jew near the Don River in Russia. He was kidnapped by the Don Cossacks when he was a teenager and forced to join them before making his way through Eastern Europe and eventually boarding a ship for America around the turn of the century (1900s give or take).

His older grandson (my brother in laws older brother) wrote a book about it "Night of the Cossack".

Woohoo! They came up with the names of three Muslims who helped in North Africa, and the Albanians saved 60% of their 2,000 Jews. How many Jews live in the region now? A few handfuls. They all had to flee Muslim hatred. Now they're starting to flee France, heading to either Israel or the US because the Muslims are coming after them and they don't feel safe. How about we leave a few sanctuaries intact where Jews don't have to keep looking over their shoulders to see if Muslim youths are coming for them?

Who is talking about a right to immigrate? We are talking about religious discrimination and profiling. It isn't about an individual from abroad having a "right" to immigrate, it's about the basic human right to not be subjected to discrimination and the many legal undertakings the United States has taken in International and Domestic law not to discriminate or persecute people based on their religion. These are basic human rights that apply to all people, and the United States has bound itself by many international treaties, such as the previously mentioned Refugee Convention, which recognise this.

Furthermore, your country was founded on the basis of freedom of life, liberty, expression and religious freedom. The fact that you can't understand the basic reason for these principles is beyond me. That you can't understand after the Holocaust why the US signed up to treaties like the Refugee Convention.

You are making the same argument as Dayton makes, namely that non-Americans can legitimately be persecuted and treated as subhumans. What's more, you're using the same narrative as the likes of ISIS - namely that people are guilty by association and therefore are legitimate targets for mistreatment. So much for America as the moral beacon of this world while cunts like you sit within it's borders.

I suspect you have a similar mixed ancestry of you took it back far enough.

Oh well, I guess I'd better flee then, eh?

Chup, you are talking about a right to immigrate and saying we have to let everyone in who wants in. Independent countries get to decide who they want and do not want for any reason they please.

There are indeed huge numbers of muslims who believe you should be killed for being part Jewish.

One of the essential elements of religious freedom as that people can't be discriminated against on the basis of religion, something antithetical to Islam, a religion which is completely based on discriminating by religion - by violence if necessary. That's how they took over the entire Muslim world. When they first showed up in Syria people just assumed they were an odd Christian sect and didn't discriminate. Soon the Muslims and their converts started lopping off people's heads and Syria became part of a caliphate.

Suppose we declared Nazism to be a religion. Would it look any different? Would it act any different? There is plenty of faith, hope, and charity in Nazi propaganda, and them some nasty dark bits about the Jews and the need to fight the enemies of Nazism. Radical Islam is like that. It's an all-encompassing racism based around a mythological persecution complex. It's embedded in the Hadith.

I have some knowledge of it.

Though I still apply the Grandfather Rule.

Really, and what is the number of these "huge amounts"? Care to set out the facts?

Which is what?

but what about those who don't try to enter legally with a bomb strapped to their body? is donald dumb suggesting DNA screenings because religion is certainly visible by how the chromosomes are stacked?

to think educated yet misguided people like gturner applaud complete nonsense like that is really telling

Our refugee system was designed to take in the persecuted, not the persecutors. There are almost no Jews left in the Middle East and North Africa outside of Israel, and now that world is rapidly running out of Christians who have lived there for millennia. They're down to about 10 million and that number is expected to drop in half.

I think by this point, any headline of an article about Donald Trump's antics can safely be replaced with "Trump is an idiot" without losing any accuracy.