Mueller Investigation

Discussion in 'The Red Room' started by Quincunx, Aug 3, 2017.

  1. Fisherman's Worf

    Fisherman's Worf I am the Seaman, I am the Walrus, Qu-Qu-Qapla'!

    Joined:
    Apr 3, 2004
    Messages:
    30,591
    Ratings:
    +42,997
    rumor has it that the Gorilla Channel is airing the piss tape this weekend

    stay tuned

    [​IMG]

    (for those of you who can no longer tell the difference between reality and satire, this is satire)
    • Funny Funny x 5
    • Dumb Dumb x 1
  2. Bickendan

    Bickendan Custom Title Administrator Faceless Mook Writer

    Joined:
    May 7, 2010
    Messages:
    24,003
    Ratings:
    +28,614
    To be fair to @Dinner, even he knows not to do math in the Red Room...
    • Funny Funny x 1
  3. Tuckerfan

    Tuckerfan BMF

    Joined:
    Oct 13, 2007
    Messages:
    77,483
    Location:
    Can't tell you, 'cause I'm undercover!
    Ratings:
    +156,213
    Hysterically, people on all sides of the political spectrum fell for it.
    • Agree Agree x 1
  4. Dinner

    Dinner 2012 & 2014 Master Prognosticator

    Joined:
    Aug 26, 2009
    Messages:
    37,536
    Location:
    Land of fruit & nuts.
    Ratings:
    +19,361
    To be fair to dinner, Anc is deliberately being obtuse and attempting to cherry pick one program while ignoring all the others. Thus the radically different numbers. That is just one of the many, many ways Anc likes to be dishonest. Pointing this out to him has no effect, pointing out unemployment numbers and not in work numbers also has no effect thus why I say he is dishonest but I could be wrong and he might just be unable or unwilling to read. I am beginning to suspect both are his problem.
    Last edited: Jan 6, 2018
    • Disagree Disagree x 1
    • Facepalm Facepalm x 1
  5. tafkats

    tafkats scream not working because space make deaf Moderator

    Joined:
    Mar 27, 2004
    Messages:
    25,004
    Location:
    Sunnydale
    Ratings:
    +51,391
    • Agree Agree x 5
  6. Dinner

    Dinner 2012 & 2014 Master Prognosticator

    Joined:
    Aug 26, 2009
    Messages:
    37,536
    Location:
    Land of fruit & nuts.
    Ratings:
    +19,361
    It seems more like just a continuation of their attempts to distract and derail the real investigation. Try to sew doubt about the government's sources hoping that is enough to let Trump and the Republicans get away with their crimes against the people. Truly, the politicians doing this need to be charged as assessors after the fact and have them go to jail as well. That way the next time the Republicans try to put party over country they will have something to think about and deter them.
    • Agree Agree x 2
  7. Diacanu

    Diacanu Comicmike. Writer

    Joined:
    Mar 29, 2004
    Messages:
    101,516
    Ratings:
    +82,457

    Nixon's enemies list, this is what they fucking do.
    :shrug:
    • Agree Agree x 3
    • Dumb Dumb x 1
  8. Dinner

    Dinner 2012 & 2014 Master Prognosticator

    Joined:
    Aug 26, 2009
    Messages:
    37,536
    Location:
    Land of fruit & nuts.
    Ratings:
    +19,361
    • Sad Sad x 1
  9. Quincunx

    Quincunx anti-anti Staff Member Administrator

    Joined:
    Mar 31, 2004
    Messages:
    20,211
    Location:
    U.S.A.
    Ratings:
    +24,062
    From what I’ve read about Steele, the guy seems like a real pro. He’s not partisan; he’s not even American. He’s an ex-MI6 agent who ran the British spy network in Moscow for a number of years. That’s not to say everything in the dossier is 100% accurate, but if he saw enough reason to put it there it shouldn’t be dismissed out of hand.

    couple of links:

    https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/03/how-the-explosive-russian-dossier-was-compiled-christopher-steele

    https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/11/christopher-steele-robert-mueller-trump-russia-dossier
    • Thank You! Thank You! x 1
    • Winner Winner x 1
  10. Tuckerfan

    Tuckerfan BMF

    Joined:
    Oct 13, 2007
    Messages:
    77,483
    Location:
    Can't tell you, 'cause I'm undercover!
    Ratings:
    +156,213
    He's also not the kind of guy who'd lie to the FBI, shit, he's probably friends with some of them.
    • Agree Agree x 4
  11. Tuckerfan

    Tuckerfan BMF

    Joined:
    Oct 13, 2007
    Messages:
    77,483
    Location:
    Can't tell you, 'cause I'm undercover!
    Ratings:
    +156,213
    And Netflix wins the Twitters today:

    • Funny Funny x 7
    • popcorn popcorn x 2
  12. Dinner

    Dinner 2012 & 2014 Master Prognosticator

    Joined:
    Aug 26, 2009
    Messages:
    37,536
    Location:
    Land of fruit & nuts.
    Ratings:
    +19,361
    Indeed. I bet he also has many friends in the CIA. We already know he has friends in high places in the Australian government and the Republican partisan game has already been widely denounced as hack garbage without legal merit. It truly is nothing more than a continuing attempt to obstruct justice.
  13. Awesome Possum

    Awesome Possum Liberal Queen of TNZ

    Joined:
    Sep 13, 2004
    Messages:
    6,361
    Location:
    My House
    Ratings:
    +6,995
    The Gorilla Channel has been going downhill since Comcast bought it anyway. You used to understand who the gorillas were and why they were fighting.
    • Funny Funny x 5
    • popcorn popcorn x 1
  14. Fisherman's Worf

    Fisherman's Worf I am the Seaman, I am the Walrus, Qu-Qu-Qapla'!

    Joined:
    Apr 3, 2004
    Messages:
    30,591
    Ratings:
    +42,997
    Vice snatched it up before Netflix got its claws into it.

    • Dumb Dumb x 1
  15. matthunter

    matthunter Ice Bear

    Joined:
    Apr 26, 2004
    Messages:
    27,001
    Location:
    Bottom of the bearstack, top of the world
    Ratings:
    +48,837
    Freudian slip? Desperate cry for help from what's left of his sanity buried under this morass of bigotry he's let fester in his noggin? Logged into the wrong account?
    • Agree x 4
    • Funny x 3
    • Thank You! x 1
    • popcorn x 1
    • Dumb x 1
  16. Dinner

    Dinner 2012 & 2014 Master Prognosticator

    Joined:
    Aug 26, 2009
    Messages:
    37,536
    Location:
    Land of fruit & nuts.
    Ratings:
    +19,361
    If you read the post I was responding to it made sense but I will edit for clarity.
    • Dumb Dumb x 1
  17. Nova

    Nova livin on the edge of the ledge Writer

    Joined:
    Mar 29, 2004
    Messages:
    49,146
    Ratings:
    +37,436
    that link has breakdown rankings of various sorts of crimes including Murder/manslaughter

    DC isn't in the top 5 of any of them
    • Thank You! Thank You! x 1
  18. shootER

    shootER Insubordinate...and churlish Administrator

    Joined:
    Mar 27, 2004
    Messages:
    49,406
    Location:
    The Steam Pipe Trunk Distribution Venue
    Ratings:
    +50,976
    [​IMG]
    • Funny Funny x 7
  19. garamet

    garamet "The whole world is watching."

    Joined:
    Apr 2, 2004
    Messages:
    59,487
    Ratings:
    +48,916
    • popcorn popcorn x 2
    • Dumb Dumb x 1
  20. Tuckerfan

    Tuckerfan BMF

    Joined:
    Oct 13, 2007
    Messages:
    77,483
    Location:
    Can't tell you, 'cause I'm undercover!
    Ratings:
    +156,213
  21. K.

    K. Sober

    Joined:
    Mar 29, 2004
    Messages:
    27,298
    Ratings:
    +31,281
    • Agree Agree x 1
  22. Dinner

    Dinner 2012 & 2014 Master Prognosticator

    Joined:
    Aug 26, 2009
    Messages:
    37,536
    Location:
    Land of fruit & nuts.
    Ratings:
    +19,361
    I had to google that one when I read the article. ;)

    Gorka does have a way with words.
  23. FrijolMalo

    FrijolMalo A huddled mass

    Joined:
    Mar 29, 2004
    Messages:
    992
    Location:
    Nashville, TN
    Ratings:
    +821
    • Thank You! Thank You! x 2
    • popcorn popcorn x 2
  24. tafkats

    tafkats scream not working because space make deaf Moderator

    Joined:
    Mar 27, 2004
    Messages:
    25,004
    Location:
    Sunnydale
    Ratings:
    +51,391
    Cue the Republican shrieking about how Dianne Feinstein is a leaker and THAT'S the real scandal ...
    • Agree Agree x 6
  25. Dinner

    Dinner 2012 & 2014 Master Prognosticator

    Joined:
    Aug 26, 2009
    Messages:
    37,536
    Location:
    Land of fruit & nuts.
    Ratings:
    +19,361
    And the reason the Dems decided to release the whole testimony transcript was because the Republicans kept leaking out of context parts and lying about what was said. This neatly shuts that little Republican game down. The interesting part from that transcript is the claim that the FBI had a human intel source within "the Trump ogranization". It isn't clear if that was inside his realestate company or if it is within the campaign.

    I was listening to NPR on the drive into the office this morning and they were saying there are hints that Mueller's team wants to interview Trump himself under oath. If that is true then they really must be getting close to the end because supposedly they interview all the small fries first before working their way to the top. Trump's handlers won't even let him do interviews with news organizations because they think he will screw it up so I can only imagine how badly they want to avoid him testifying under oath.
  26. Fisherman's Worf

    Fisherman's Worf I am the Seaman, I am the Walrus, Qu-Qu-Qapla'!

    Joined:
    Apr 3, 2004
    Messages:
    30,591
    Ratings:
    +42,997
    • popcorn popcorn x 1
    • Dumb Dumb x 1
  27. Nova

    Nova livin on the edge of the ledge Writer

    Joined:
    Mar 29, 2004
    Messages:
    49,146
    Ratings:
    +37,436
    vital Twitter thread reviewing the key points, transcribed for your information - and don't miss it because it is explosive shit
    ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    ElizabethCMcLaughlin‏ @ECMcLaughlin
    THREAD ON FUSION GPS. I spent the afternoon reading the transcript that Senator Feinstein released today. Here are the salient points, with citations. I am a lawyer and CEO. I was a securities fraud and human rights litigator in DC/NY for over 15 years. Read on for takeaways.
    6:19 PM - 9 Jan 2018
    1/ First, thanks today for the bravery of @SenFeinstein. You're a heroine of the #Resistance.
    2/ As I process the Fusion GPS transcript, I'll post significant points here in individual tweets. For starters: NO, Fusion GPS doesn't do hatchet jobs to try to get government agencies to start investigations against people. (Tr. 25)
    3/ As well, Fusion GPS knows WTF it's doing. The descriptions of the investigation in the Prevezon case are deep and powerful and detailed and serious, and they do not mess around. (Tr. 38-49)
    4/ Other items of note from the Fusion GPS background: Fusion has a deep background in understanding Russian money laundering. The Prevezon case got the into investigations of Russian organized crime, Cypriot banking, and the tax system in Russia. Serious business. (Tr. 38-49)
    5/ On the Fusion GPS retention on Trump: "it evolved somewhat quickly into issues of his relationships to organized crime figures . . ." (Tr. 61-62)
    6/ Fusion GPS concluded early in their investigation that Trump has serious ties to Russian organized crime, including money in his companies from "Kazakhstan, among other places, and that some of it you just couldn't account for." (Tr. 67-70)
    7/ Fusion GPS hired Steele as a part of "drilling down" on specific areas of concern about Trump's business dealings internationally, and Steele was not the only subcontractor hired. (Tr. 76-78)
    8/ Asked about Christopher Steele as an investigator, Glenn Simpson of Fusion GPS described him as a "quality" investigator in high profile situations and "a boy scout." (Tr. 81-82)
    9/ Fusion sent Steele into Russia with a broad assignment to look into Trump's dealings in Russia. And what they found was that "it wasn't a giant secret" that "Donald Trump had a relationship with the Kremlin." “People were talking about it freely.” (Tr. 87-88)
    10/ Now would be a good time to ask yourself why it is that @ChuckGrassley and others didn't want this transcript released. But keep going.
    11/ Christopher Steele was trained as the lead Russianist in MI6 to spot disinformation from Russian intelligence. So what he found was not bullshit. What he found was real. (Tr. 88-89)
    12/ What is clear in the questioning of Simpson from the Republican side of the fence is that they they were trying to set up a claim that Rinat Akhmetshin, who was present at the Trump Tower June 2016 meeting was an agent of Fusion and thereby HRC. (Tr. 109-110)
    13/ This is plainly an attempt to try to claim that any Trump/Russia interactions were a democratic set-up—one that Simpson shot down hard. (Tr. 109-110)
    14/ Glenn Simpson had dinner with Vesilnitskaya in New York the night before the Trump Tower meeting. Fusion was doing work on the Prevezon case, and it was a client dinner with the lawyers, of whom Vesiltnitskaya was one. This shit just gets weirder and weirder. (Tr.130-131)
    15/ Asked by the Republicans whether he believes the Trump Tower meeting in June 2016 was an effort by the Russian government to make contact with the Trump campaign, Simpson responded "I think that's a reasonable interpretation." (Tr. 134-135)
    16/ Fusion sent Steele into Russia to learn more about Trump's business dealings. What they found was "very different and obviously more alarming, which had to do with . . . a political conspiracy . . . the government of Russia or someone was doing some hacking. . ."(Tr. 133-134)
    17/ "there were rumblings at that time about whether there had been lot of hacking and there was going to be -- political digital espionage was going to be a component of the campaign." (Tr. 133-134)
    18/ And so they set out to determine if what they were learning was credible. (I mean, Jesus. If he isn't impeached after this, America is toast.)
    19/ Fusion evaluated the credibility of the information they received that the Trump campaign may be involved in digital espionage to throw the election. Steele is credible. The methods described are consistent with Russian intelligence. Nothing appears to be false. (Tr. 148-150)
    20/ The very first memo within the dossier discusses that Trump and his inner circle accepted a regular flow of intelligence from the Kremlin. (Tr. 154-155)
    21/ In response to a question about election interference, Simpson stated "If you're getting help from a foreign government and your help is intelligence, then the foreign government's interfering," and that the June 2016 Trump Tower meeting is consistent with that. (Tr. 154-155)
    22/ Only two memos in to the memos that make up the dossier, Fusion knew that what they were dealing with was a criminal attempt to influence the election, a conspiracy to violate campaign laws, and potentially the blackmailing of the @GOP candidate for President. (Tr. 158-160)
    23/ "it's 26 July. So by this time Debbie Wasserman Schultz has been the subject of a very aggressive hacking campaign, weaponized hack, the likes of which, you know, have never really been seen." (Tr. 158)
    24/ "We've seen hacking in politics before, but this kind of, you know, mass theft of e-mail and then to dump it all into, you know, the public sphere was extraordinary and it was criminal." (Tr. 158)
    25/ "In [Steele's] mind this is already a criminal matter, there's already a potential national security matter here." (Tr. 159)
    26/ "Chris said he was very concerned about whether this represented a national security threat and said he wanted to -- he said he thought we were obligated to tell someone in government, in our government about this information." (Tr. 159)
    27/ "He thought from his perspective there was an issue -- a security issue about whether a presidential candidate was being blackmailed.” (Tr. 159)
    28/ "From my perspective there was a law enforcement issue about whether there was an illegal conspiracy to violate the campaign laws, and then somewhere in this time the whole issue of hacking has also surfaced." (Tr. 159-160)
    29/ So why did they go to the FBI? "[L]et's be clear, this was not considered by me to be part of the work that we were doing. This was -- to me this was like, you know, you're driving to work and you see something happen and you call 911, right.” (Tr. 164)
    30/ 25/ It wasn't part of the -- it wasn't like we were trying to figure out who should do it. He said he was professionally obligated to do it. Like if you're a lawyer and, you know, you find out about a crime, in a lot of countries you must report that." (Tr. 164-165; 167-168)
    31: "So it was like that. So I just said if that's your obligation, then you should fulfill your obligation." (Tr. 164-165; 167-168)
    32/ What we can take from this is that the reporting of the dossier to the FBI was ETHICAL, HONEST, and NOT A HATCHET JOB. (Tr. 164-165; 167-168)
    31/ (sorry for the screwy numbering of thread tweets, folks. this is a lot.)
    32/ Simpson flagged how serious it got within the Fusion investigation when, post-reporting to the FBI, the hacking of the Democrats continued, the RNC platform as to Ukraine changed, and Trump continued to say bizarrely favorable things about Russia. (Tr. 169-170)
    33/ And then Steele went to Rome, and met with the FBI, and gave them everything he had so far on Trump. Simpson says Steele's work was "really serious and really credible," and when he asked to go meet with the FBI and give them everything he had, Fusion said yes. (Tr. 171-172)
    34/ And there is no question in the minds of Simpson or Steele that what they are dealing with is criminal espionage, a "crime in progress" by the Russians against the DNC and others. (Tr. 173)
    35/ And then Simpson dropped a bomb: Steele went to Rome, gets debriefed by the FBI, and learns in the debriefing that the FBI, in September 2016, has a "voluntary" source inside the Trump campaign. (Tr. 175-176). READ THAT AGAIN.
    36/ NOTE: that means this is not Papadopoulos. He was flipped when he lied to the FBI. This was also someone who was NOT also a source for Steele.
    37/ @JamesComey sent the letter to the Hill concerning Hillary's emails after Fusion has reported espionage, election interference and the potential compromise of Trump to the FBI. (Tr. 178-179)
    38/ Then the @nytimes reported that the FBI looked into Trump/Russia and found nothing. Simpson calls this cluster "a real Halloween special." (Tr. 178-179)
    39/ And as a result, Steele stopped cooperating with the FBI. (Tr. 178-179)
    40/ The FBI considered paying Steele to continue his work after the election, but did not. So all of this work by Steele was not on behalf of any US intelligence agency. (Tr. 214)
    41/ And again, it's worth noting that this was not a hatchet job. No compensation to Fusion was conditioned on the FBI starting an investigation into Trump/Russia. (Tr. 217)
    42/ After the election, Fusion was "obviously . . . as surprised as everyone else and Chris and I were mutually concerned about whether the United States had just elected someone who was compromised by a hostile foreign power . . ." (Tr. 219).
    43/ " . . . more in my case whether the election had been tainted by an intervention by the Russian intelligence services, and we were, you know, unsure what to do.” (Tr. 219).
    44/ They went to John McCain in the hope that McCain would share it with the highest levels of the FBI. (Tr. 219-221)
    45/ And then there is this explosive bit: Steele and Simpson weren't sure that @Comey EVEN KNEW ABOUT THE ALLEGATIONS. Which would explain a lot. An awful lot. (Tr. 220-221)
    46/ Just so there's no mistake about it, Simpson stated: "I was aware at the time (mid-2016) that the Russian mafia and Russian cyber crime was a subcontractor to the Russian intelligence services." (Tr. 233)
    47/ Disinformation was a part of Steele's business training at MI6. He did not believe anything given to him that became a part of the dossier was disinformation. (Tr. 239)
    48/ Carter Page lost money with the Russians, was really mad about sanctions, and apparently had been an espionage suspect under investigation by the FBI FOR YEARS preceding the election. Jesus. (Tr. 240-242)
    49/ And add to that: Fusion had reason to believe that Page had been offered business deals in exchange for being compromised. (Tr. 240-242)
    50/ Simpson was a solid witness generally. Asked about claims by SHS that the dossier was phony and Fusion took money from the Russians, he gave a scathing defense of his work and the work of Steele, concluding with he dossier "is not a fabrication." (Tr. 256-257)
    51/ And then the really crazy stuff came out. Simpson was handed Manafort's contemporaneous notes from the June 9, 2016 Trump Tower meeting with the Russians. (Tr. 261-264)
    52/ In those notes is a reference to a Cypriot holding company to engage in inward investment into Russia, the note "active sponsors of the RNC," Dick Cheney's press secretary, and finally, adoptions. (Tr. 261-264)
    53/ But Cypriot holding companies, and "active sponsors of the RNC?" WTAF. There is something so deep and so corrupt here in the @GOP I'm nearly speechless. (Tr. 261-264)
    54/ Fusion's conclusions were not influenced by the person paying them for their Trump research. (But Simpson did conclude on a personal level that Trump was unqualified for the job.) (Tr. 290-293)
    55/ Fusion concluded that Trump had a long history of engagement in illegal activity with organized crime. (Tr. 293-294)
    56/ More evidence of how good Simpson is as a witness. Asked about Fusion's investigations into the Trump Org in NYC, he denies direct criminal evidence of DJT the person being involved in crimes. The Trump Org of whom, of course, DJT is the head, is in deep. (Tr. 295-298)
    57/ This is careful, careful testimony by this witness to preserve his credibility while still making his point, though Fox News will leap all over this as proof that DJT is not a criminal. The prior 295 pages of this transcript prove otherwise. (Tr. 295-298)
    58/ Trump's golf courses are broke. (Tr. 299-300)
    59/ And lastly, just in case you thought this wasn't as serious as it gets, one of Fusion GPS's sources has already been murdered by the Russians. (Tr. 279)
    60/ Ok, people, that’s it. It's a bombshell of a day in America. And if Trump isn’t impeached after this, along with complicit members of the @GOP who have known this and tried to discredit Fusion and Steele and this dossier, there is no hope for our democracy. Period.
    61/ @ChuckGrassley @TGowdySC @DevinNunes @Jim_Jordan @LindseyGrahamSC there is jail time in your futures, I suspect.
    • TL;DR TL;DR x 2
    • popcorn popcorn x 1
  28. matthunter

    matthunter Ice Bear

    Joined:
    Apr 26, 2004
    Messages:
    27,001
    Location:
    Bottom of the bearstack, top of the world
    Ratings:
    +48,837
    Well, probably not just for that - speculation is that this refers to a former KGB officer who spoke to Steele and died about the time of the dossier coming out, although a number of other high-profile Russians did as well, so could've just been sweeps week for the Kremlin:

  29. garamet

    garamet "The whole world is watching."

    Joined:
    Apr 2, 2004
    Messages:
    59,487
    Ratings:
    +48,916
    • Dumb Dumb x 1
  30. garamet

    garamet "The whole world is watching."

    Joined:
    Apr 2, 2004
    Messages:
    59,487
    Ratings:
    +48,916
    • Dumb Dumb x 1