School Shooter neutralized by man with gun

"I don't want 'neutral.' I want 'dead.'"

true - but neutralizing the shooter pretty much neutralizes the threat. In the Air Force when I occasionally had to pull security at the bomb dump (where they stored the bombs, ammo & other things that go "BOOM") they emphasized "shoot to stop." But nobody is really stopped until they are stone cold dead so.....do the math!

See what I mean? Missed the point.

Early reports that the shooter used to date the girl he shot. No word on the guy he shot though. He might have been her new boyfriend or he might have just been at the wrong place at the wrong time.

Oh, well. I guess these are just more sacrifices for "freedom" (more like freedumb).

I'm wondering if the guy was maybe caught in the crossfire.

I hate to sound like an old fart, but the times have changed. Yeah, when I was in high school, there were probably 50+ rifles and shotguns in the back windows of trucks in the High School parking lot. Crime happened in other places, not here, and what I've realized is that I really did grow up in Mayberry.

A lot of good things have happened in the last half of the last Century. The whole civil rights movement, the ongoing move towards equality in treatment and pay between the genders, globalization, the communication and financial revolutions. et. al. But, a lot of bad has happened as well. Instead of doing away with poverty, we now have poverty where there was once prosperity. The rich have gotten richer and the poor have gotten even poorer. There is now crime where there was no, or very little, crime.

Even if I had a gun rack in the back window, I'd no longer keep a rifle or a shotgun in it for no other reason than I'd be worried about someone busting out my windows and stealing it.

A lot has changed, both good and bad.

There were no gun racks at my high school when I was there. No High School shooting team. My home town was kind of a rough place when I was growing up. Not so much anymore, but one thing really has changed. Open carry. Especially at Wal-Mart. You can't swing a dead cat without seeing someone with a gun on his or her hip.

Open carry has been legal here for just over two years but I've yet to see anyone other than law enforcement with a gun on their hip.

I see what looks like teen aged girls open carrying in the Wal-Mart. There's an old guy in town who carries a nickle plated Single Action Army knockoff in a western rig while wearing cargo shorts and a Hawaiian shirt. Dude's got style.

Idaho has open carry, but I've only seen one guy with a hogleg on his hip. A customer at Home Depot. Looked like he wanted everyone to see it. Fine, whatever. Personally, open carry doesn't bother me. Concealed carry strikes me as more of a problem, but it's also a problem for criminals who don't know who is and who ain't packin'. Anyway, as a good guy, I'm just as happy to know he does and who doesn't have one. At least in Idaho there's a good chance that anyone who's carrying has some experience with it and knows how to use it. The assholes who just have one to make themselves feel tough worry me a lot more, but that's a lot more of an issue in Florida.

Would this man be called "Fellow in Fear of His Footwear"?

None of that corresponds to the fantasy you posted.

weird - a shit-ton of folks around here have guns but you rarely see anyone open carry. Then again they might be carrying but the weapon is obscured by their layers of fat.
Side note if bullets do start flying in Walmart I can hide behind one of these whales!

Faceplam, really?

Here's what you quoted: “protect children”
Here's how you depicted that position: "my agenda was never about protecting kids"

Just wait, I am sure that the guntards are going to answer this for you.

my kids are out of school now but here are my thoughts about arming teachers: giving people just the minimum training in any new skill might be setting them (and others) up for failure. You really should be "all in" when you are carrying and possibly using a deadly weapon. If teachers already have extensive weapons experience and are fully prepared to accept that responsibility then it should be allowed but again on a case-by-case basis.

That's what's been proposed but the left is reactionary and emotional and twisted this to read force teachers to be armed whether they want to or not.

This is the most irresponsible reportore I've ever seen. CNN put a kid on the air who had no credible information and was just spewing nonsense he read on social media

I have to amend this after having some time to recall, and not being caught up in the active-school-shooter scenario - I remember reading the "never draw on a drawn gun" rule-of-thumb specifically applied to muggings and robberies. The point was that if an armed robber approaches you on the street and demands your money, then you're better off handing it over than trying to draw on his drawn gun. The reasoning being that such a person is less likely to just shoot you then, and he'll be on his way.

But in an active shooter situation with a homicidal maniac, that suggestion is moot. You're fighting for your life, so fight.

No, I have opinions about 2nd amenders in general and gf hobbyists specifically. Your gun fetish has jumped the shark. It's no longer cute (I'm looking at you, shoes), manly, smart, or empowering. It makes you seem a pack of mewling idiots.

Latest on CNN seems is that the 16YO girl he shot was an ex-girlfriend. Possible motive there - not a shooting spree, but a reaction to rejection. No word on where or who he stole the gun from.
They're saying the officer and the suspect fired at the same time, and it's not clear yet if the kid fired at the officer, or shot himself.

yeah, we should outlaw teenage romance. Guns on the other hand gotta stay.

Um, that's still a shooting spree. The girl wasn't hit by a broken heart, but by a bullet. So was the second person he shot once he was at it.

Semantics. Spree says random and numerous to me, not two.
If the second victim was her current BF, or the suspect thought he was - two specific targets do not a spree make.
If he was starting a rampage when he was stopped, then yes, spree.
They're still investigating his motives.
But we may not hear the results, since there wasn't enough blood for the news media to interrupt telling us about the president's past "vaginal intercourses" (CNN's words on the Stormy Daniels thing just now )

This is a hell of a lot more thoughtful approach than what's mostly out there. What Florida passed is a half=assed measure. The Maryland hero (yes, he is a hero) was not only a cop from what I understand he was a SWAT veteran. You gotta have the right guy. Not Fredo Corelone and not Barney Fife.

Open carry has been nebulous here for the better part of five decades. It has always been defacto legal because there was no law prohibiting it. I can distinctly remember it being common here back in the 1970's. But, it fell out of favor sometime in the 1980's and then I when I went to work I learned that it was because the County and Municipal Governments had been prosecuting it under "Disorderly Conduct." Disorderly Conduct is defined in Alabama as any conduct that could annoy, harass, or alarm.

There had been some rumblings for some time about how this violated the spirit of the Constitution because we were prohibiting something that wasn't defined as illegal. It came to a head in 2011-2013 when, if memory serves, a Magistrate in Cullman, AL started carrying a gun openly in the Court Office at City Hall because he had been threatened regarding a case he had heard. The City tried to stop him and ended up terminating him because of this and the Magistrate sued. He claimed that there was no Constitutional Amendment, Statue, or Court Case that prohibited open carry. Further, it had been known for some time that the little signs businesses and other entities posted on their doors prohibiting firearms weren't worth the paper they were printed on. They did not carry the force of law. In fact, the concealed carry permits the Sheriff's Office was printing at the time even said exactly that. He argued that this also applied to government property.

Guess what? He won. In response, the Alabama legislature rewrote the laws in 2013. Now, open carry is explicitly legal, but now the signs on prohibition do carry the force of law. But, only to open carry. If you're legally carrying concealed, they still don't apply.

I said all of that to say this. I think open carry should be legal. But, I think you're a damned fool if you do it. You may as well wear a shirt that says, "Shoot me first!" I see people carrying openly from time to time, but without fail they're either "tacticool operators" or your stereotypical redneck getting in or out of a truck that's taller than he is.

I had a couple come in a week ago looking at engagement sets. They were both ultra-tacticool. He had on a ALANG hat and a Punisher t-shirt shirt with khaki cargo pants and black leather boots with a chromed out full-size Glock of some sort or another. She was dressed much the same with a Molon Labe t-shirt and matching compact Glock. Even I will admit that I slid my 1911 out of my desk and onto my belt and kept my alarm control fob in my hand while they were in the store.

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My Grandad used to always have a handgun on him during the course of working his farm, which included driving on the public road between the house, various fields, and the cow pasture. Open, concealed, he didn't pay attention, which sometimes made the legality of the time a little nebulous. The County Sheriffs Deputies asked him to either keep it out in the open at all times, or leave it at home countless times. Grandad would just smile and nod.

Finally, the Sheriffs department got tired of asking him nicely to cut it out...

...so they deputized him.

So you're going to ignore the part about banning guns and not arming teachers?

Neither of those are correctly depicted in your version either. Again, you couldn't take those points at face value and had to invent different versions instead. It would be just weak if the issue weren't so important.

Wait, you can chrome a Glock???