Trump bans Transgendered in military.

https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/white-house-announces-ban-on-most-transgender-service-members/

He announced his ban two hours ago late on a Friday night.

What is this now, him tripling down on this despite the objections of everyone other than clueless bigots?

Him reminding right-wing bigots that if they out him for selling out the country to Russia, he will no longer be there to bully American queers on their behalf.

They have Pence who is crazy by Jesus Freak standards. The Disney movie Mulan triggered him.

Ben Carson too, he said that HUD shouldn’t have to protect the rights of trans people because they make bigots uncomfortable, which is part of his job. Just like how certain places used to not protect the rights of black people because it made bigots uncomfortable.

so six or seven federal courts have told him to piss off with this shit and still he panders.

Also, a court ordered them to disclose what military experts they consulted (given Trump claimed to have done so) and they ignored the court (because the "expert" was Tony Perkins)

Well-oiled machine!

It’s all a show in his head.

This won't actually change anything on the ground for a while, since the Pentagon are abiding by the federal rulings that the ban should be stayed. Trump'll probably try and get it kicked up to the Supreme Court. He might get lucky there - trans issues are still high on the "ick" factor for conservatives and there's much more of an argument that it's down to choice than homosexuality (though again, I apply the "could no more wake up tomorrow choosing to identify as female than I could choosing to prefer cocks over cunts" rule and it holds up). Court might argue that there are certain medical procedures that pre-empt or exclude a person from military service (major organ donation being one) and this falls into that category. It's not a GOOD argument, but it might just give enough of a fig leaf to the bigots.

We’re due for another Supreme Court decision that sets back human rights and joins the list of backwards shit that future generations vilify.

This is yet another example of how partisanship has quashed debate and thought in America. Can anyone who supports Trump in this honestly tell me that this move in any way aligns with the principles of freedom, liberty, justice and equality that are supposedly the foundations of American culture an society? They don't care do they. They'll just support "their guy" blindly and allowed overt breaches of human rights like this to slide while telling the rest of the world "greatest cuntry evar!".

my professional (as a former military not as a trans) opinion is that regardless of the final decision on allowing trans people to serve, any currently serving trans should be grandfathered (or would that be grand mothered?) no question. Once you sign a contract to serve whatever standards you have to adhere to as a condition of your employment
at that time should be gospel for that term of service. Any new rules & regulations should only apply to people who signed contracts under the new rules.

But here is where that can get tricky: what if you are a mid-career trans soldier and your current contract is about to expire and you want to re-enlist, but now the rules say trans cannot serve. That would mean it's "game over" for your career. That wouldn't really be fair although it might be legal. Maybe allowing that trans to re-enlist would be the "occasional exception" they are referring to. Then again the army (can't speak for other branches) isn't known for giving a shit about what is fair or logical in most cases.

Fair is letting a person serve their country irrespective of their gender, gender identity or sexual preference.

Your comment is illogical and comes across as mealy mouthed because, as a person who likely help put Trump in office, you can't quite bring yourself to flat out say "this is wrong".

And really, do you so easily reduce the decision to put your life on the line for your country and its citizens as a "contract"? I must say I'm surprised at that since you're an ex-serviceman.

Yes. Given a Russian oligarch plotting against America on the one hand, and a trans American soldier who is willing to die in their defence on the other, they ally with the oligarch against the trans. This is what they call being a "real" American.

Things Trump will/wants to ban: Muslims, trans soldiers and porn stars talking about him fucking them.

Things Trump won't ban: Guns, environmental damage by corporations, Russians doing anything shady whatsoever.

I’d trust a trans soldier to protect us over letting Trump do it. He’s a coward who would use his wife or youngest son as a human shield. He can’t even take charge with Russia.

I had no idea a former member of SEAL team 6 was trans! They're pissed over this:

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/08/02/trump-transgender-ban-navy-seal-women-rule-podcast-241229

That but also he wanted to knock the CNN interview of the former Playboy model he fucked and paid off out of the news cycle.

I mean this idea had already been floated and been shot down as illegal yet suddenly he resurrected it without discussing the matter with anyone. It is pretty clear he was trying to distract from other news.

Yes, when you enlist in the US military you sign a contract. It's for a specific amount of time (four years, six years, etc.) and when that term is up if you are eligible to reenlist the military draws you up another contract. If you don't want to reenlist you serve out your current contract then get out. And this is surprising how exactly?

I actually know her! She used to work at the Starbucks by my work. One day I was making small talk while waiting for my latte and she blurted out "I'm a meme!"

yeah but courts have been surprisingly down with actual objective evidence in most trans related cases lately. The various Title VII and Title IX decisions far more often go against the will of the Pharisees because their objections don't hold any evidentiary scientific weight. SCOTUS does have some 18th century men but it would take some serious willful imposition of superstition on the facts of the case to arrive at Trump's position.

The best medical comparison for in-uniform medical transition is pregnancy and childbirth, and if the service can accommodate the latter they can accommodate the former. That reality is real easy to demonstrate with objective data.

there's a surprising (to some) number of veterans who are trans. One of the "beards" (to borrow a phrase) that transwomen adopt while hiding is to try to live the most masculine existence they can find in order to "man up" and get rid of the dysphoria (which of course often has the opposite effect) and conversely for trans men, the military is a license to "butch up" as much as possible without provoking suspicion.

Some studies suggest trans people serve at a rate nearly twice that of the cis population.

There were similar trends for gays and lesbians prior to DADT being repealed.

One trans trying to "butch up", ended up on a Wheaties box when I was a kid.

"I'm a MEME! I spell it M! da da da da da.....E child....da da da da da.....that spells memeish boy!"

Wasn't that trans on the Wheaties Box while they were still a man?

Damn straight! Has Tuskegee taught us nothing?

knowing the military she would be lucky if the tits were the same matching size. Or worse the correct number of tits!

She was expressing herself to society as a man and she was treated as a man, but trans women were never really men. Which for a lot of trans people is a very difficult time because generally they think they have no other option by social, family or other pressures. Imagine how you would feel if you, a man, was forced to dress, behave and live as a woman and treated like a woman by everyone you know against your will every single single day of your life for the foreseeable future. Would you be happy about that?

They also like to change said contracts when it suits them. /guy who was stop lossed

The body was, the brain wasn't.