The Jeffery Epstein Case

There is no way he would ever be an inmate worker while waiting for his trial to conclude. His charges would prevent that.

Where are you getting this belief that these people you mentioned get lot of privileges? Those prisoners get no privileges and are locked up in general population. Snitches will be in safety cell confinement or even solitary confinement depending on what they are snitching about.

You're also conflating prison with jail. Epstein wasn't in prison. He was in jail. Under the law he's still innocent. Inmates in jail have far more rights than those who've been convicted. In fact now that he's dead he can never be found guilty of the charges he was arrested for even though everyone knows he's guilty as hell.

Everyone is in general population unless you're an inmate with real mental health issues or a grade A asshole who can't behave or you have certain notoriety. Plenty of pedos sit in GP but someone like Epstein would be kept out of GP.

There is no conspiracy. It's just incompetence on the part of the system.

They failed to take into account that Epstein was more than your average inmate because of what possibilities existed in the evidence and they failed to assign an officer to him 24-7.

That makes the most sense to me. What's the old saying "Never attribute to malice when incompetence is more likely?" Something like that. Anything else falls under the category of "extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof."

Yes, you are right, he was probably in a jail/processing area. I got confused because the news was talking about him being assigned work detail which was premature considering he would still be in that limbo area until his case was settled and they assigned him a permanent prison for the remainder of his sentence. Thinking about that it would have certainly been easy enough for him to get enough to float off into the afterlife comfortably. Given that they say he was found unresponsive probably means he overdosed rather than hanged himself. Which means no officers would take the heat given you really could not lump that sort of responsibility on them unless he was on some specific watch.

That means they pretty much let him go off like that. either they did not need him, or someone let him off himself, but I don't think a guard or prisoner had to do it. They should investigate to make sure, but whoever let that golden goose fly away needs to have their head examined if they needed him to connect any dots.

Oh, and quit being so angry, I am agreeing with you. Yes, I know, I feel dirty too.

No one is being angry. You're just spewing nonsense and being corrected on it.

"Yes, you are right, he was probably in a jail/processing area. "

It's not probably. He was in jail. Waiting for trial. You don't go to prison until your convicted and there is no remainder of the rest of his sentence because he was not convicted on the current charges and did all the time on the previous charges.

"Given that they say he was found unresponsive probably means he overdosed rather than hanged himself. "



See this is what I mean about spewing nonsense.

You think if he was found after he hung himself he would be responsive? I can tell you that people who have hanged themselves are as unresponsive as someone who overdosed on a drug.

Spewing nonsense is he she’s thing.

I still think hanging is not what he did, but we will see. A jail area would actually be hard to do the hanging trick because it would probably be open bunks or at least multiple people to a cell area. Going off on a hot dose would be far easier and quiet if the right drugs were used. I have heard that when opiods kill you the victim can be found with the needle still in their arm which would mean they don't do much moving around and gasping for breath. Being who he was I am sure he would be familiar with how to administer an injection, or perhaps fentanyl comes in pill form (Never seen it or want to). I would say that would probably be a lot easier way to go out in processing than hanging yourself. That is from a prisoner's perspective.

he she is what you are going with? I thought teenagers were supposed to have snappy comebacks?

We don't have to see anything. It's been reported he hung himself. Is there a possibility that he was killed and than hung to make it look like a suicide? Yes. But that would show up in an autopsy. The forensic investigation is quite good at figuring out how you died if they have immediate access to your body. Which they did.

He was not in an open bay.

He was in a two man cell. It hasn't been reported if this time there was a second inmate with him like the first time but even if there was it's still easy as hell to hang yourself. The other inmate is asleep and you do it. Done right your dead in a few minutes.

And even in open bay environments you can hang yourself. Right on your bunk in front of everyone with anyone knowing until after they realize you won't wake up.

Wow. You really have a hard on for thinking he overdosed.

Go take a cold shower.

I've dealt with fentanyl. Inmates aren't taking it in pill form. It's in powder form smuggled in. It also can't be detected by drug dogs. It's a real problem now since so little of it can kill easily.

I have no interest in conversing with you. All you do is fling insults and spew nonsense.

So why are you speaking and cluttering my notifications with your quote pyramids?

Just asking, do you have a source for that as I have not seen any method of death specified as of yet. I figured people were just going with hanging because everyone expected him to be in isolation due to his fame.

Yes, but that would take some real determination. Having not seen anything that says he was found hanging I would say it would have been much easier and better for a person like him to have gone out on an OD. But I will wait to see your citation that he was found hung in his cell.

OD is a much easier way to go than hanging yourself. Unless the guy got off on that sort of thing hanging is pretty rough. You are in prison and there has to be someone around to get you some drugs. You are Epstein, not some junkie off the street with no power. Whatever supply there would be I would imagine would be well rewarded for providing his escape from this world.

But please do show where it says he hung himself and I will accept that.

Forget it @Zombie you are right, he was found hanging.

Being that he was found hung I find it to be a lot more suspicious. I am not saying impossible, but that needs to be investigated because a person like him would have had access to a much more pleasant way to off himself. Given who he was and what he did I cannot imagine he was not familiar with drugs. Hanging yourself in general is a brutal and hard way to go without snapping your neck. This is a guy who could have easily gotten enough fentanyl to do the trick and gone off on a cloud before anyone could stop him. Instead he hangs himself?

Read up on suicide by hanging. You have to be really determined to get it done, and it is not an easy death. Yes, he could have done it as @Zombie has said, but would a person like that really have taken the hard way if he could have gotten himself off on a drug OD?

You know, for someone who claims to have trolled people hard enough to make them commit suicide, you really seem to have no clue about the subject. The majority of suicides are done on impulse, not planned out, and are done with whatever is readily available. Which is why guns so often play a part. They're quick, easy, and lots of people have them.

Epstein's thought processes would have been one of desperation and needing to end his life as quickly as he could, not meticulously planning the operation out. If they'd have denied his sheets, he'd have probably gnawed through his own wrists when he got desperate enough.

Besides, how would he get drugs? You think one of the guards would have gotten them for him? Yeah, no. He's kept away from gen pop, so if drugs turn up in his system, suspicion is immediately going to fall on the guards. Any of them that have a nice little smuggling operation isn't going to want to risk that by giving him drugs. Visitors? Who's going to visit him in jail besides his lawyers? Think they're going to smuggle drugs in for him so that he can kill himself? They do that, and not only might they go to jail, but they're also not going to get paid. The kind of lawyers who'd represent a guy like Epstein didn't become lawyers because they were passionate about people getting justice, they're in it for the money.

Ah, there's some evidence Hillary was involved in a rather famous murder.

Dedicated his life to blackmailing world leaders.

But decided instead to ‘suicide’ himself the moment it would all finally come in handy.

Hmmmm...

I've seen it in person and in training. I've seen the video's during training you can't find on the internet of people hanging themselves. If you really want to kill yourself you don't care that it's a brutal way to go. You're going to do it.

Epstein could have used his sheet, his blanket, his uniform pants, his shirt. He could even tear his mattress and use that.

Hell he could use his underwear and socks if he wanted to do it.

Death only takes a couple minutes. You may be unconscious in seconds though if you choke off the blood to your brain.

Actually I have done the research on this. Hanging is not a good way to kill yourself because most people fail at it even when they don't have obstacles. It is actually a very hard thing to do with people around in any general way. That is why most hanging suicides fail. Look it up, because I have when I was looking for a way out. Hanging is hard unless you have a decent drop to snap your neck. If you don't there is a lot of room to turn around.

Actually, wrong again. He would have been in processing and there is time for doing things right. They were not torturing him, nor was there threat of pain and hardship beyond being in prison. There was no urgency to ending his life as you say.

He is not in gen pop, but he is in a general area where people come in and out for court hearings. That area is actually a big opening for getting in contraband. The way the prison system works is that people who are being held in custody who have to go to court are put in jail. The jail has a lot of different people in there for different reasons, and there is a lot more contact with the general public like lawyers, family, and associates. He has people on the outside who could do things for him, so he could easily pay for a suicide dose if he wanted. This is not a man without means. The people around him would have known who he was and that he could help their people on the outside if they got him something.

So why hang yourself which is a hard way to go when you could float away?

Of course she could have because she stole the time machine Obama used to go back and make a fake birth certificate and birth announcements.

You have to think about these things.

You didn't do a good job looking it up than.

Most people succeed at it. It's not a hard thing to do. In fact the easiness of it is why it's so hard to prevent. You can literally use just about anything to hang yourself with.

The thought of going from a free rich as hell man to an inmate facing the hell of a prison for the rest of your life can affect your mental status to the point where you decide you'd rather be dead.

He knows he's guilty. He knows there is no way out this time. The Feds simply have too much evidence on him and he knows he has a 99.99999999999999999999999999% chance of being found guilty by a jury.

You're just making yourself look stupid at this point.

He wasn't in a general area where people come in and out for court hearings. He was in a jail which is a separate building from the courthouse. You don't know what the fuck you're talking about when it comes to jails. He's in a cell with little to no contact with other inmates. He's not going to have contact visits with family. That will be behind glass. Lawyers? Some lawyers are idiots and do dumb things but the lawyers he hired, all high-paid lawyers, are not going to toss away their career and freedom for him.

This is where he was held: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metropolitan_Correctional_Center,_New_York

I don't know how to explain this to you any simpler. Epstein's actions weren't those of a rational human being. He was just as panicked about his situation as an animal caught in a leg hold trap would be, all he wanted was out of his situation now and he didn't care how he did it. He's not thinking that he might be able to score some drugs from somebody, he's thinking that he's got to kill himself as soon as possible, with whatever he has at hand. Which is how most people do it. They don't google how to hang themselves, or what's the best way to commit suicide, they just grab whatever's in front of them that looks like it'll do the job and go for it. Yeah, sure, your drama queens might Google and try to make a big production out of it, but they're not really serious about committing suicide, they're just wanting attention. But people who've found themselves at the absolute bottom of the well of despair can't manage that kind of thought process. All they can think about is ending their misery. That's probably where Epstein was when he killed himself.

So you read your own link, right? Lots of famous crime figures and powerful people were there. Who were the people who would want Epstein dead? Would it be some dipshit nobodies, or the powerful people who could have easily slipped him an easy and comfortable way out.

Whatever, you are just suffering from tererun derangement syndrome at this point.

Yeah, whatever. You have the empathy and understanding of a wet paper bag. It really does not matter, he is dead and there is no bringing him back.

Someone's definitely in the middle of a derangement syndrome.

But it's not me......

hey look, it is the three in the morning dupe hiccup.

Much more interesting than getting into it over all of that.

Here's the folks that Wikipedia lists as "notable."
Abu Anas al-Libi. Al-Libi died on January 2, 2015 while awaiting trial

Khalid al-Fawwaz. Fawwaz is serving life in prison at ADX Florence.

Joaquín Guzmán. Sentenced to life plus 30 years. Now at ADX Florence.

Sayfullo Habibullaevich Saipov. Pending trial

Patrick Ho. Convicted, Sentenced

Daryl Campbell Now at Brooklyn MDC.

John Zancocchio Released at July 31, 2018.

Akayed Ullah convicted awaiting sentencing.

Out of that list, we've got a total of three people still in the facility. Two of whom are Islamic terrorists. The third guy is a money launderer (something Epstein has also been accused of doing). Do you really think that they're going to let Epstein associate with any of those folks? Well, I mean, if they wanted to keep him alive, that is. The two terrorists would no doubt be more than happy to strangle a Jew with their bare hands. And I don't think they'd want him and the money launderer exchanging tips. Yet, you're not suggesting that. You're suggesting that Epstein got them to supply him with stuff so he could slip himself the ultimate mickey. Doesn't seem likely to me at all. Nor does it seem likely to Zombie, who is an actual prison guard. And while I'll be more than willing to admit that it's possible he could be wrong, until @Elwood chimes in, or somebody provides a credible link contradicting what he has to say, I'm going with Zombie's interpretation of events. Not merely because he might actually know a thing or two about the subject, but because it fits Occam's Razor better than your idea. Need I point out that Zombie and I are often at loggerheads over many issues, so the fact that we're in agreement on this subject should give any reasonable person pause for thought.

Says the person who bragged about driving someone to suicide. I don't care if the story is bullshit or not, the fact that you introduced yourself as a "master troll who has driven people to suicide" says to everyone that you don't have the slightest bit of empathy. It's no different than Dayton bragging about leaving a little old lady on the side of the road after he hit her car. You're just as much garbage as Dayton is and for pretty much the same reasons.

You need some meds for your TDS.

This is what you said.

Does that sound like something someone with compassion would say? Does that sound even the least bit empathic? Or is that in the same vein as Dayton saying he wants to see B-1 bombers dropping bombs on at least three continents when he is President? You tell me.

Oh, and go ahead and edit the post I linked to, because the Wayback Machine archived it a long time ago.