There is no Republican Civil War. It is fully the Party of Trump.

whatever...but I'm not wrong.

Proof, or STFU.

Why did you vote for Trump?

Even putting aside the "both sides" and the Hillary fixation, this just isn't true on its face.

Most of the D.C. Republicans have sided and continue to side with Trump, as evidenced by their overall voting patterns and their refusal to convict him on two impeachments, their not generally rejecting the propaganda of the election in which he got his ass beat legitimately as being rife with fraud. Indeed, the fact that so many Republicans voted both to reject certification of the election and to acquit Trump for inciting a murderous mob shows that the Republicans are exactly aware of how much of a grip Trump has on the party and at the grassroots.

So trying to portray Republicans as being unaware of the power of Trump is preposterous.

The 2016 Democratic party certainly didn't cheat the primary.

As unpopular as Hillary supposedly was, she won the popular vote going away, and came basically a handful of votes away in three states from winning. So let's not pretend that her candidacy was doomed.

And let's not pretend that either Trump Mk. I or Trump Mk. II can be ruled out of scoring another electoral victory. Despite his massive incompetence and all his major downsides, Trump Mk I still attracted a lot of voters. If the Biden administration stumbles, if it runs Kamala as the presidential candidate and it turns out that people don't like her, if Trump Mk II manages to put a better face on some of Trump Mk I's policies and tactics, he or she could have a good shot.

A Trump-like candidate who runs without the baggage of the constant controversies, the bungling of the pandemic response, and taking its response to white supremacists down a few notches would have a respectable chance in the Electoral College of flipping back Georgia, Arizona and some combo of Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania to win the White House.

The popular vote in seven out of the last eight presidential elections, only two of which had Trump on the ballot, suggests otherwise.

So does the polling on things like Medicare for All.

Without trump, Republicans won't vote. So, your party will lose in 2024.

List of possible Republican candidates for 2024

Greg Abbott, governor of Texas
Bob Corker, former senator from Tennessee
Tom Cotton, U.S. senator from Arkansas
Ted Cruz, U.S. senator from Texas
Doug Ducey, governor of Arizona
Ron DeSantis, governor of Florida
Mike DeWine, governor of Ohio
Nikki Haley, former ambassador to the United Nations
Larry Hogan, governor of Maryland
Josh Hawley, U.S. senator from Missouri
Mike Lee, U.S. senator from Utah
Mike Pence, vice president of the United States
Mike Pompeo, secretary of state
Marco Rubio, U.S. senator from Florida
Ben Sasse, U.S. senator from Nebraska
Rick Scott, U.S. senator from Florida
Tim Scott, U.S. senator from South Carolina
Donald Trump,

Bob Corker isn't part of the cult. MAGAland will never go for him.

(Ditto Ben Sasse, though that probably goes without saying.)

Hogan is basically a technocrat. Not particularly ideological. I wouldn't call him liberal, but there are definitely parts of the country where he could run as a Democrat without anyone batting an eyelash.

The people who may have the toughest time are the ones like Nikki Haley, who spent four years licking Trump's boots, then started criticizing him as soon as he was out of office. They're the ones who managed to piss off everyone.

Pence won't run. The mob was after him same as they were for Pelosi. Dayton put up with Trump to gen Pence, but he's the rare voter for which religion is at the top of the list of priority.

DeWine has no chance. He followed the science when it came to the pandemic, so he's also persona non-grata when it comes to Republicans. Corker also doesn't have any chance. Rather than standing up to Trump (or cravenly licking Trump's balls), he tried to have it both ways. If he attempts to run, he'll flame out faster than you can imagine.

Actually, yes you are.

She did it for less than a week.

Once it got clear which way the tide was going she was back on Fox News bashing Dems and saying to give Trump a break.

Oldfella needs to tell Graham: "Hey, Trump isn't president any more, he's off the radar, he doesn't make any difference, stop talking about him." Graham must not have gotten the GOP-Faithfuls memo.

46 to 27%? Uh... those look like PDQ Bach numbers...

well this should make the Democratic party party happy. Splitting the Republican vote would ensure an easy victory. Conditions within a party (or any large institution, like religions for example) change and evolve over time, I get that. But to make a third party in what will be a two party system for the foreseeable future? Might want to think that through. As for Republicans shaming other Republicans because they don't worship Trump? And putting them on the "bad boy" list because they voted to impeach?
That's terrible - I don't understand that, and I don't support that. Trump does not define the Republican party. No one person should be the focus of any political party - that does not end well. If the party splits I will not join any Trump party. That said I won't hold it against any body who does (it's a free country) but I would strongly discourage it.

Sadly, I think we're at a point where Trump is defining the Republican Party.
I think you're correct overall here; look what happened in 1912.

I'm not too sure Democrats will be too happy though; a GOP schism could be disastrous for the well being of the country given the general mindset of true Trump supporters, even if it ensures short term Democrat wins.

I usually ignore Anc's hyperbolic bullshit, but in this case, I believe he's correct. Trump is the Republican Party. Lyndsey Graham has said as much. As usual, they've taken away the wrong lessons from the election results and they refuse to change. They also refuse to live up to the ideology they claim to believe in. The problem is, wait for it, all of the old fucks in the party. Again, I normally don't agree with Anc's hatred towards "boomers", but in this case, he's right. The old folks home in Congress needs to go. They ran off the one decent Republican (Read: Justin Amash) who had fresh ideas and was an actual fiscal conservative. It's a fucking good ol' boy club and anyone who doesn't play along, gets shut down and shunned and now the good ol' boys have fully embraced Trump as their leader and they will push out anyone who doesn't embrace Trumpism as their ideology. As long as the nursing home exists, they will continue to run the show and nothing will change. What they don't realize is that Trumpism is a disease that will destroy them in the long run so everything they're fighting against (radical leftism) will start to take hold because they refuse to try and win over the public on their policy and ideas. The left is going to win because of this. Congratulations, morons.

Term limits in Congress would go a long way toward solving the problem.

The Democratic Party is also moving toward splitting, tho not quite as dramatically. The uber-left elements of the party have never been satisfied with the mostly moderate-left heart of it. Witness the wailing right here on Wordforge about Biden not being liberal enough,

Indeed, since the rise of the internet in general and social media in particular, it seems to have become more and more difficult to arrive at consensus on anything. Everyone wants to howl their objections and presumed superiority and have things their way and nothing else. Society may be heading toward a serious fracture,

The most prominent anti-Trump voice in the Senate, Mitt Romney, is 73 years old.

And because statistics are better than anecdotes, about a week ago I ran the numbers. Using the impeachment trial vote as an indicator of whether a senator was Team Trump or not, the pro-Trump and anti-Trump forces in the Senate have exactly the same average age (63), and the anti-Trump forces have actually been in the Senate slightly longer.

It's also worth noting that older, retired Republicans have been among the most willing to sound the alarm on Trump's fascist tendencies, although that probably has more to do with the fact that they don't have to deal with his rabid base in elections anymore. (Hence the number of recent retirees who grew a spine on their way out the door.)

Regardless, this is not an age thing.

Hillary lost votes because the GOP machine was in full tune. Now it's only running on 4 cylinders assuming it was ever a V8.

Congratulations, you're as dumb as Federal Farmer.

Both sides! Both sides! Both sides!

You've been pushing this narrative for years now, and the closest things have come to a fracture or civil war was when a Republican president's supporters tried to nullify the results of a free and fair election and murder Democrats and somewhat reasonable Republicans alike.

But go ahead, keep pushing your "both sides" bullshit.

Who knows how to make gifs? For a couple years now I’ve wanted to make a Lanz gif that is this video but the text is BOTH SIDES!!!

We'll never have a meaningful reform of the two-party system until more states adopt ranked-choice voting etc.

Alaska’s new one sounds interesting.

We'd need another one for you where he's screaming "BUT MY SIDE IS BETTER! BEEETTTTEEERRRRRRR!!!!"

One side is undeniably better lately. I thought facts didn't care about your feelings?

When cults collide.

Happy Science cult did a bunch of anime movies laying out their insane mythology, and God Awful Movies did a couple of them, and it's fucking bizarre.
The leader allegedly was visited by the ghost of Thomas Edison who took him on a tour of time, space, and dimensions, and revealed that the leader and his wife were reincarnations of famous royal couples, and the Curies, and I think Adam & Eve, and somehow a space battle against Hitler's ghost riding a wooly mammoth ties in there somehow, and...holy fuckballs.

BUT! If you made an anime of Scientology ...any less crazy? I mean, really?

How would term limits in Congress do anything to solve the problem that Republicans feel like they have to bend the knee to Trump and his version of reality?

If anything, it seems like they would make it worse.

If established named politicians believe they have to kowtow to Trump's way of thinking or risk being primaried and see that as a bonafide threat, what chance would someone who doesn't have the reservoir of cash/goodwill/clout that you get from having served umpteen years have?