Seriously, Richard? Dawkins Pushes TERF Declaration

That is the value of rights to them. They only care when it is the ones they will benefit from. If it is not something they can use, then take it away because they do not want to pay for it. Healthcare for women specific problems, take it away. Trans access to bathrooms? Take it away. Black people being able to walk down the street without being harassed by the cops, take it away. The ability to be safe from guntards, take it away.

It is all me me me entitlement with them. They never gave a fuck about someone taking necessary things from other people, but if you take their coal burner from their pickup they lose their fucking shit.

It is their distraction because they have shit arguments.

Oh, that was a rhetorical question.

It's the typical Rightforge dodge.

Leftforge- Here's some awful shit that's going on.

Rightforge- The awful shit has to happen so we can remain free!! (Breaks into song) ...cuz I'm proooud to be aaaan Aaaamericaaan!! Where at leeeasst I knoow III'm freee!!

Leftforge- *Fails to get in on the circle jerk*

Rightforge- Commie.

It's a slower motion variant on "duck, dodge, and belittle" pattern as observed by Lt. Mewa in the ancient WF pre-history.

This. I'm more than willing to discuss other issues I have with this country, they are legion, but this specific issue quickly gets drowned out by the "but what about this!" people, who always step in and explain how worse things happen in other places and we have it pretty good, so we should be thankful. It's a very backhanded way of saying our problems don't matter, so quit complaining.

Well, sure, you might have it rough, but did it ever occur to you King Midas didn't own a microwave? Or that Calvin Coolidge's son died from an infection in 1924 that we can easily treat today?

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Exactly.

When transgender people are talking about the shit we go through, we're not dismissing what cisgender black folks, or cis LGB folks are going through. Often, our frustrations are intersectional, because we share the same problems. For the longest time, unless you were white, cisgender*, heterosexual, able-bodied, and neurotypical (you don't have ADHD, autism, et al), you were outcast, a freak, someone to be either pitied or shunned. There are people on Wordforge who undoubtedly still feel that way. The thing is, many of us feel the pain of what anyone who is suffering goes through, and that does include white, straight, heterosexual, able-bodied, neurotypical people. It's just that when we're talking about the shit we're going through, bringing up the notion that you're (this is a general you, folks) having problems too isn't helping, it's pushing us out of the way, it's making your own issues the center of attention, it steals oxygen from the arguments we're trying to make because the space has now, once again, become about how you have it hard, too.

Most people are not unsympathetic. I know I'm not unsympathetic. I don't want anyone to suffer, but if my house is burning down, you coming along and saying "well I guess that's bad, but how do you think I feel? My wallpaper needs replacing, and there are no good reasonably priced options. Just be glad you don't have to replace your wallpaper now" does not help, especially if you draw away the audience that needs to understand the dire situation I'm in. It makes things worse, actually, because now I have to devote energy to dealing with your problem while my house is burning to the ground.

This is what we're experiencing with Dave, and people like him (and Richard). He is wealthy, his problems are few, and yet somehow he pulls the oxygen out of the room on trans issues because HE is offended at how we react to people who dismiss our problems, who see us as combative in a social and political structure that either actively murders us or passively allows us to die. He had made it about him, and people like him, and by doing so he puts all of us at risk.


Edited to fix "straight" to cisgender, else I was repeating myself.

For the most part I agree, but there is a point to shared experience. I agree that equating different problems is not great. Something like saying you trans people have problems with discrimination, well I got fired too. In the case of Dave or even the atheist community you could put it into terms they might have faced if they had empathy. In regards to dave, he has obviously gotten some fame for being a black comedian who has focused on racial issues. One of the reasons dave has been hard to cancel in the past is because of his race. People liked dave for being a black comedian who made fun of racism. He brought his cultural insight to the stage and people demanded him because of that.

Dawkins and atheists have had pointless discrimination and lies told about them by the religious. The religious have implied that atheists are inherently evil and untrustworthy because they have no god to hold them in check. We cannot trust them not to steal because the invisible sky god is not watching their every move and will eternally punish them in hell for stealing a snickers bar if they are hungry. These are Santa's rules, and we all learned santa isn't real. An atheist can respect the social contract of property and ownership, and that is something that is real and has real consequences when we abandon it. If we stop having social constructs it is back to anarchy and kill everyone because you feel like it.

Instead these idiots do the same thing the people who fuck with them do. Dave is whining about the same cancel culture that beat down his racist critics. If somkeone came out and made fun of black people and dave for being a black performer people would have tried to cancel them. It would have been someone like Rush Limbaugh and he would have been pushed to AM talk radio where the Nazis live. Rush was put into a fucking pit, and he was never cancelled either. I am sure he must have made fun of dave for racist reasons and whined about how the mainstream media had pushed him out for being racist. He was still around until cancer did us a fucking huge solid and ate his ass. That is the same that is going to happen to dave.

I do not think Dawkins ever really got out of the pit. He was put there by the christians, and then he pulled the lid back on with his TERD (Trans Exculusive Radical Dumbass) routine.

Regarding my former point about normalizing bigotry. This isn't about Dawkins but it's the current conversation and I can't be arsed to revive the Chapelle thread...

Here's Will Wheaton, on the thread from Eddie Murphy in the 80's, through his heart, to Dave Chapelle.

Wheaton continues to be a gift.

I still want someone to explain to me how the word “faggot,” which originally meant “a bundle of sticks,” came to be a slur against gay people. That makes as much sense as calling someone a wheat field and having that be understood as a horrible insult.
I mean, the “N” word I at least understand where it came from. It’s a corruption of “negro” which is itself derived from the Latin word for black, “negreos.” So that at least makes a kind of twisted sense.

Google too much of an effort for you? Wikipedia a violation of your human rights?

Hwill Hweaton leveraged his TV past into a career in professional douchebaggery. Textbook example of the purity test crusader. "Repeat my opinions back to me verbatim or I will screech at you until I hyperventilate. "

You understanding is not required. Second, you never in your life looked at a bunch of sticks and thought that was a faggot. So you can cut that lie right out. Third gay people do not get offended when a person from the UK asks for a fag. Absolutely Fabulous is a show many gay people love, and the term fag is used many times as a reference to a cigarette.

So like always your sad attempt at lies and intellectual dishonesty is a load of crap and all you really show is you just want to use faggot to insult people.

...are you still regularly reciting homophobic Eddie Murphy routines to your fellow athletes and angry that Wheaton wants you to stop and possibly apologize for it?

Interesting that I only hear about Wil Wheaton about once a year, because I don't seek out his opinions (no animosity, just happenstance). He may be saying things, but why are you making such an effort to listen?

Wil Wheaton needs to be a little more explicit about what he’s asking for. Does he want Chappelle canceled? Does he want Chappelle to stop making jokes about any minority group? My understanding is he made this screed because Chappelle will be one of the headliners for the next ‘Netflix Is a Joke’ show.

I would agree that Delirious has aged terribly. I saw it about a year ago and a lot of the jokes the audience ate up are just not funny in modern times.

you'd have to ask those who use it as a slur or even simply as coarse language, not the folks it's been applied to as such.
and then of course ya gotta wonder what it is about being compared to being gay that gets so many straight guys in a tizzy? I always like the presumption that they'd be afraid of being treated by a man the way they treat women, but...

also, you may wanna fix that typo in your post... the "-reos" just doesn't line up well in this context.

How about he wants folk who think Chapelle is funny to examine what he's actually saying?

If they still find it funny, OK - we'll just know who the assholes are.

If they don't, they can stop being assholes and maybe help out the folk Chapelle is punching down on.

Because that IS what is happening. And the UAs and Lanzmans can bleat all they want about "being cancelled", but they've still got a fucking shitload of tonnage behind them in society and seem to feel adding a few kilograms of basic fucking decency to the pile is somehow going to flip their end of the scale like goddamn Buckaroo.

You seem triggered.

Go find a safe space.

His secret is he's always triggered. He is the incredible nope.

sounds like they're cut from the same cloth, TBH.

This is the message I got from it. I never used racial slurs when I was younger, but I do remember some of my older family members making racial jokes, and I had the impression those jokes were okay. People can grow, they can change for the better. Richard Pryor was a brilliant comedian, Eddie Murphy, too, but in their heyday they really were commentators of the time. As much as I adore Tom Hanks, a show like "Bosom Buddies" wouldn't survive now, and for good reason, nor would he agree to make such a show.

It's not that people are too sensitive, it's that we've become more aware of who we're hurting in the name of a thoughtless laugh, and that by encouraging such thinking, we're making it seem like it's okay to turn people at risk of real harm into punchlines because it doesn't affect most of us.

There are people so focused on their freeze peach, they don't care about what is being said, because they already consider it worthless. It's the same as people who claim to be pro-life, where they're so ardently pro-life that they absolutely ignore everything else that is required to support it, because they don't actually care, it's just a bludgeon to be used on people they already hate.

Yep. When I was growing up, I loved the Brit silly comedy The Goodies (Kitten Kong is still excellent). But there are several uses of blackface in that series, plus the usual camp gay jokes.

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Richard clearly wants to be in the same category as the religious fundamentalists who attacked rock music for its clear Satanism, for their zealousness against gay people who wanted to turn our children gay, and it's just as based in science and reason as they were then. I mean, if he wants to be a religious fundie, he's chosen a good hill to die on.

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