OSHA Vaccine Mandate

I was more worried about Ohio. But, I didn’t make the map or even try to understand why those five states would band together.

Ohio can stay. They can be our Alabama. We'll subsidize their shithole areas because Cleveland and Columbus are cool, and because I like being able to shop in Toledo.

What's the problem if the women whose desk is six feet from yours is either (1) vaccinated and thus protected or (2) unvaccinated by her own choice?

I can think of more than one thing those three had in common.

It does have the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and the Shriner hospital is in Cincinnati. Plus … WKRP. Ok. Ohio can stay. I am willing to give up Illinois.

Don't tell me you buy into the "if it's not 100% effective, that's exactly the same as being 0% effective" bullshit. You're smarter than that.

No, Illinois has the highest GDP per capita in our new country. At a minimum we need to keep Chicago.

Fine. Indiana goes.

Except for the counties along the lake. I'll be damned if I have to drive over the fucking Mackinac Bridge to get to Chicago.

To the extent the vaccine is effective, the unvaccinated aren't a threat to the vaccinated. To the extent it's not, it doesn't justify a mandate.

You want it both ways: people must be coerced into being vaccinated because the vaccine isn't sufficiently effective.

You should make that same argument when your child/grandchild starts school. Be strong. Stick to your guns.

Or tested. Come on, defend striking down the testing mandate. I'll wait.

Certainly.

Your employer shouldn't be entitled to your medical information, and so should have no way of knowing who requires compulsory testing.

But leaving that aside, any testing requirement (mandate or otherwise) must not, in my view, be administered in a punitive manner (incurring costs, inconvenience, privacy loss, loss of professional standing, etc. to the employee).

West Coast Liberal. I live in a right to fire state.

By that standard a company can't let you take sick days either. "Can't know your medical information, so you have to come to work." Ridiculous. Companies even ask about vaccination status if you have to travel to countries that require unusual vaccinations. Companies test you for drugs. Companies require you to wash your hands after using the bathroom, even if maybe you didn't get any bacteria on them. How dare they! GTFO with this bullshit.

Oh hell no. Unvaccinated status and testing refusal are clear signs of poor judgement and should absolutely be fireable offenses.

When I take time off to go to the doctor's office, I don't tell my employer what I'm going in for. If I take a day off for sickness I *may* say something like "I'm not feeling well" but I could as easily say "I'm taking a PTO day today."

Do you think a company is entitled to know your medical history, conditions, etc.?

Yes, your strawman is.

That's a matter of being able to fulfill legal requirements of travelling to another country. If you go there, and they require vaccinations, you're not really revealing anything.

Okay with you? "Looks like you had some marijuana, recently, Joe...you're fired."

Not even remotely the same thing. Sanitary practices aren't your medical history and they apply to everyone equally.

I'm just not comfortable with people's civil liberties being abused.

In other words, you WANT testing to be coercive. Thank you for proving my point.

This is one of the most absurd, foolish statements I've ever read.

What do you think about a deduction from your paycheck for being a smoker? Hell, my company is going to do the same thing if you're unvaccinated.

The effectiveness of any vaccination campaign at eradicating disease is the factor of two things: first, the percentage of exposures that the vaccine is able to prevent from turning into infections; and second, the percentage of the population that uses it.

I know, from 18 years of posting here, that you are perfectly capable of understanding this.

Only the ones that affect how you have to interact with coworkers, vendors, or customers. Like having COVID or being vaccinated for it. Can't make accommodations if you don't know what you're accommodating.

If you go there, you've revealed you're vaccinated.

Not personally, but if some other employer wants to, yep, totally.

Neither is current COVID status. It's medical present, not history.

No, I want people to not spread COVID. Knowing they're too dumb to work for me is just bonus information.

Is my understanding correct that SCOTUS left the door open for states to impose general vaccine mandates just for existing in the state?

It says very little about the topic, but maybe enough for that, yes.

Yes.

How about alcoholism? Or psychiatric problems?

How about divorce? Or depression?

How much is your employer entitled to know if your standard is simply that which affects "how you have to interact with coworkers, vendors, and customers?"

Sure, but (1) you know you're signing up for that when you take a position that requires that kind of travel and (2) there's a difference between your employer becoming aware of your health information and your employer being entitled to it. Your employer may very well realize you had a nose job when you return to the office after some days off, but is it your employer's business that you did?

So, where would you set the limit for what information about you your employer is entitled to? If it's merely what could affect your work, that can be stretched to cover almost anything.

Why are they dumb? These vaccines have been rushed to the public without the usual testing that would accompany them, there's evidence they can have some very serious side effects, and they're generally proving to be not very effective at preventing COVID.

I mean, that's like saying shields on Star Trek are ineffective because they're not invincible, and the bridge shakes around, and the console spark.
Muthafucka, they're holding back a blast that can crack a planet.
With NO shields, the ship blips right out.

Covid waves are fucking big.
Plus we've got the anti-vax assholes.
That the vaccines are dulling it down at all is goddamned spectacular.
That we're creeping up on a million death sucks, but it could've been 3 million with no vax.

For all your talk you support the party who wants your employer to know whgo you are sleeping with, supports your employer being involved with your pregnancies, and who wants to allow your employer to dictate what substances you put into your body on your own time. You want your employer to tell you what gender you are, and what gender your can date. Your party wants your employer to be able to deny your healthcare benefits if they do not approve of any medicines you are taking.

This whole keep my employer out of my medicine seems to be applied when it effects you, and when it effects other people it is you who supports the employer being able to push people around and tell them what to do.

The vaccination status of my co-workers would seem to effect me and them. Whether they take hormones/Birth control, are pregnant, want an abortion, give their spousal benefits to a spouse of their own gender, have a kid who needs trans medical care, or any of the other ways republicans want to dictate seem to not medically effect me.

Yeah, but Baby Jesus!
Oh, wait, he's atheist, I still don't know how he reconciles that shit.
He's given answers, but they were weak-tea.

It is the same old right wing bullshit. If the vax were about babies or GLBT people he would be all for employers being able to know what people are doing. You can't have teh gays spreading at work, but COVID is just fine according to the right. If the vaccine stopped birth control or chemical abortions from working they would be forcing it on women.

This idea that the right wing is the great protector of rights is truly a fucking joke.

No. He isn’t.

The Republicans you remember from 18 years ago aren’t the same Republicans they are today Mr. President.