Candlelight Vigil for RickDeckard

Not to speak for @Cheese Bro but I read his comment as disagreeing that Rick was the only antisemite on the board.

There is another.

I don't think Rick is anti-semetic. My bet is he'd get along fine with the right kind of Jewish person.

He's just a socialist ideologue, and the socialists have decided that Israel is a colonizer state so everything that's wrong in the area is due to it's existence.

Quite a few of them have gone further and stated that 'acts of resistance' such as slaughtering 1400 people are morally righteous if done in the name of decolonization.

I haven't had much truck with the far left for quite some time. To me, this is batshit insane.

Though Rick states he isn't down with the later interpretation - he denounces Hamas. It's just he can't separate that from Israel being bad.

Liar.

Chills, I'm getting chills. Uncanny!

You're no Olivia Newton-John.

Who is, tho.

Taylor Swift, that's who

She's an international treasure. I celebrate her entire catalogue.

Me as well. I have two ears and a heart, after all

The key difference between Israel and Hamas:

Israel will do its damnedest to avoid hurting Palestinian civilians, with the exception that it will not jeopardize its own existence in the attempt.

Hamas would happily murder hundreds of Palestinian babies if they thought they could get people to blame Israel for it.

I admire and respect Ms Swift, but for some reason she doesn't strike me as especially sexy. Drop dead gorgeous, absolutely. Smart, talented, business savvy. Not to mention the way she refuses to be victimized in her relationships. Maybe I'm just too fucking' old...

Isreal is a colonizer state. There is no doubt about that, and they are pretty vicious in their methods. There is a reason the palestinians are pissed, and Isreal is not at all innocent in the ethnic cleansing area. To claim otherwise is to show huge vbias and ignorance about Isreal's history with the palestinians.

Bloody revolution is to be expected when your overwhelming policy is that Jewish Isrealis are the only people with rights to the land and you are mnakinbg life as hard as possible on the palestinians. If you are going to be a brutal colonizer you are going to have to expect some nasty blowback. This is why you do not half ass colonization. One of the problems Isreal has is they have not been able top colonize with the same oppression and brutality of old school colonizers. If these were the indigenous people of north america, australia, and africa way back when they would have been wiped out by any way possible. European colonizers were so much more brutal than Isreal is to the palestinians. However, if Isreal could do what the european countries used to do without any of the objection we have right now there would be no palestinians at all, if they were to be able top withstand the attacks from other muslim countries in the area.

This idea that Rick was wrong for thinking Isreal is a colonizing country is quite wrong.

OMG fucking no. Isreal will push the boundaries of what the countries supporting it will tolerate abusing Palestinians.

I may agree Isreal has to defend itself, but this idea Isreal gives a shit about palestinian lives is holy shit ignorant and stupid. I am not saying some Isrealis do not hate palestinians and think their are worthless, but they are not the majority, and we really need to recognize the majority of them do not think palestinians are equal in value to Isreali lives. There has to be some respect for palestinian lives as part of the social contract when peace can be accomplished because Hamas is defeated.

I am also not saying they do not have good reason to be angry with Palestinians, but we do have to recognize the very clear bias against palestine by large parts of Isreal.

I am also not disagreeing about what you say about Hamas. Clearly Hamas in it's entirety and as a integral part of the organization's philosophy and values hates Jews (Not just isrealis) and feels they need to be wiped from the planet. I am all for Isreal and the world fighting against the goals of Hamas and destroying that organization as a terrorist group that cannot be tolerated in a peaceful world.

Olivia Newton-John?


Oh, you mean aside from her. Then probably no one unless the multiverse has a leak. I guess in that case she would still be her, but there would be multiple hers that she would be.

I'm kinda wondering what positions people are taking on this in TNZ.

Probably quite a few involve a ten foot pole.

Well she's a woman and she's breathing, so I'm guessing it's a mix of desperate bathwater vaping-level simping and hideous chuds declaring "2/10, would not bang."


If you see someone complaining she passed her prime twenty years ago, tell oldfella I said hi.

it is interesting how radicalso n the right and left stake out positions that sound similarly anti-semitic...although of course they are identical in their denials that they are anti-semitic.

There is a certain amount of support for Isreal that comes from jewish support abroad. The jewish religion does organize a network of funding and political power that is pro-Isreal. Of course, Isreal haz zionistic philosophy in their governing.

So if you cinsider anti-semitism to be pointing out a global jewish effort to fund Isreal that has sway in multiple governments, then the truth is anti-semetic. I do not consider saying that to be anti-semetic given there are other religious states in the world who have power and influence in other countries also. Yes, that is an organization, and there are coonspiracies and complaints regarding how those relationships work in the world. All the major religions do it and to not talk about the jewish faith supporting Isreal because it is anti-semetic is intellectually dishonest. Sopme people would get defensive and call me an anti-semite because I criticize Isreal, but I do not hate jews.

The left, in general, has developed quite the cognitive dissonance over Islam.

I mean, the general gist of Islam is the Westboro Baptist Church turned to 11, but apparently espousing that "God Hates Fags" in Arabic, whilst having a lovely bushy beard and some extra melanin puts you in the "allies" column.

Of course it was originally just a play on "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" in finding solace from others being oppressed, but that seems to have been lost, there looks to be no understanding that once the far right are gone, the Muslims are the new far right. As a group, they're about as socially conservative as you get. They make Nigel Farage look like a screaming liberal.

Sure, in cities you find plenty of liberal Muslims - which are nothing new, the father of Pakistan was partial to the odd whiskey, and I know a few Albanian Muslims who can't be bothered with fasting and enjoy haraam at will.

But as a political bloc, they've more in common with Torquemada era Catholicism, and as a bloc it's admirable how they'll put aside internal differences and factionalism to face a perceived external threat, I'd just rather see that ability be used more positively.

In the UK it annoys me that a lot of the rougher edges could've been taken off during the Satanic Verses affair, but only last year we had protests against a movie, and the threat of violence was very implicit. Fear of accusations of Islamophobia and a moral cowardice from left and right has done zero to promote better integration, and an understanding that respecting someone's religion doesn't mean it gets a golden vote on banning or criminalising anything it dislikes or disagrees with.

The biggest problem Europe, in general, has with Muslims, is actually the mostly white, guilt-addled, middle classes. I'm pretty sure they'd moderate their own brand of bullshit, as pretty much every other group has, if it wasn't so tolerated and enabled by well meaning idiots.

Hey folks , maybe it's high time @RickDeckard 's father shoved a bologna sandwich in his mouth & sent him to bed.

I’m sure if Hamas won, Palestine would become a liberal democracy just like every other country in the region.

On other discussion boards upon which I maintain my august presence, even suggesting Israeli Jews might be genocided or ethnically cleansed should the Palestinians take back Palestine is a kick/ban worthy offense. I don't know, I just can't get behind the idea that the Israeli Jews wouldn't be absolutely, 100% fucked if Israel was conquered.

Poundland Peter Mandelson Agrees!

It's Owen Jones, someone whose stupidity is almost endearing, and political manoeuvring straight out Blackadder, so it is to be expected.

I'm curious, are Jews allowed in Muslim countries? Also, you have no idea what "colonizer" means. Please explain why Israelis are an "ethnostate", while Jews are actively forbidden from traveling to 98% of the Arab world? Who lives in the Arab world?

Oh good god, cool your fucking hard on for hating muslims. It is fucking gross. We are talking about Isreal. The whataboutism so you can hate on muslims and excuse the horrors Isreal does on the palestinians is fucking awful. Just because jews have trouble existing in other countries does not excuse the cruel torture and oppression of the palestinians by Isreal. It is not a tit for tat.

Cool your fucking jets because I am not out here excusing the obvious and factual Isreali bullshit against palestinians.

Do you have another justification for your obvious love for fucking with arabs and muslims? Your prejudice is obvious, and just because I happen to think Isreal is just fine with kicking the shit out of Hamas, and the world should destroy Hamas as an obvious terror organization does not mean I am ok with any jewish hatred of all muslims and desire to cleanse the world of all muslims. I am also opposed to any muslim organization trying to cleanse the world of jews, but I am not blind to the reality that neither Isreal or any jewish hating middle eastern countries have any real power to do so simply by owning a chunk of land for themselves in the middle east.

They are not getting anywhere outside their borders with their hatred, and until we are voted police of the world here in the US I am not putting us in any position to roam into some muslim country because you think we need to kill all of them for whatever bug is in your butt over it.

The irony of course being that the most conservative Israelis and the base of the Likud party are the Mizrahi, descendants of Middle Eastern, North African and Central Asian Jews kicked out of their countries after ‘48.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mizrahi_Jews

One of the largest populations of Jews in a Muslim country is in Iran, believe it or not.

Also, I believe they are they only Muslim majority country with a Jewish elected official.

The Constitution of 1906, and maintained in the Islamic Republic Constitution, set aside two seats in the Majlis for Armenian Christians and one each for Assyrian Christians, Jews and Zoroastrians.