Israel is Coming Apart at the Seams, It Seems

Ah, so if the US doesn't rain hell fire on the people attacking shipping in the Red Sea because they are trying to deescalate the situation, they are weak and it's time to kill them.

You are really showing your colors.

There are lots of Jews who agree with me, which is why the anti-Semitism smears are a nonsense.

https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/judih-weinstein-haggai-hamas-hostage-declared-dead

Last Canadian hostage held by Hamas in Gaza declared dead
Judih Weinstein Haggai and her husband were on their morning walk when they found themselves targets in the middle of Hamas slaughter

She was a peace activist working in one of the Kibbutz near the border to help Palestinians.

The US would have no problem raining hellfire. Their problem is that that would be counterproductive and that they have no good options. And others aren't willing to have their own shipping further disrupted to help out Israel.

Removing their military bases and limiting their power is not "killing them".

Anyone who claims that advocating for a free Palestine, or an end to a ceasefire is somehow antisemitic has decided that Zionists are the only Jewish people, and since Zionism teaches that Palestinians are animals and untermenschen, including children, that should make it clear where they stand. There is no reason to give them any credence. They hold the position that the genocide in Gaza and the West Bank is justified.

Oh, sure, that's what people mean when they say 'find out' after fuck around. LOL. You are full of shit as usual.

If Joe Biden had a stroke tomorrow and announced that America was switching allegiances and would now support Russia and Hamas against Ukraine and Israel, Ricky and Amaris would change sides so fast we'd get motion sickness just watching them.

They can throw out whatever justifications they think sound credible, but it always comes down to "America bad, so whoever America supports also bad."

This is just bizarre. I already support Ukraine, oppose Russia's invasion and oppose Hamas.

Fucking animals. Israel has been far too patient with these barbarians that want nothing more than to see everyone that's not one of them dead, and decent citizens of other countries keep paying the price.

Throw every last Hamas supporter out of Gaza. Send them to Iran, since Iran was funding them already. They deserve each other.

I get frustrated when people say it's victim blaming to assign Palestinians any blame for this current conflict. "Look what you made me do," they say Israel claims. But 10/7 was one big, gigantic "look what you made me do." You can sincerely believe Palestinians have a legitimate grievance against the State of Israel. I think they do. But what Hamas did was not a result of Israeli policy. It wasn't an understandable reaction to decades of oppression. It was barbarism, the same kind of barbarism the IDF is accused of every day. Israel is punishing Gaza disproportionately for a disproportionate crime Hamas committed. Anyone who supports the IDF without reservation is wrong. Anyone who supports the Palestinians without any reservation is wrong. This is not a black and white, good vs evil conflict. This is the result of mutual hatred, and both sides are guilty.

I don't really disagree with a word of that. The attack on 10/7 was not justified by what came before it, and clearly there is lots of blame to go around for how things are so shitty.

If I appear to be saying otherwise while dealing with genocide apologists, then I apologise.

I'm guessing you don't mean the ones that condone genocide committed against Israelis, since you don't seem to be scolding them.

They're damaging mosques!

IDF says troops find tunnel entrance, rocket launcher in Khan Younis mosque

Troops of the 55th Reserve Paratroopers Brigade operating in the Khan Younis area located several tunnel entrances, including one in a mosque, the military says.

The IDF says next to the tunnel in the mosque, troops found a rocket launcher and observation equipment used by Hamas operatives.

Another tunnel entrance found in the area connects to an underground passage and a command center used by Hamas’s elite Nukhba forces, according to the IDF

The tunnels were destroyed by combat engineers.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveb...trance-rocket-launcher-in-khan-younis-mosque/

Rings rather hollow from someone whose signature is “From the River to the Sea will be Palestine”.

What happens to the Jews, Rick?

I'm probably gonna regret asking this, but what's the difference?

I've posted at length about the possible political solutions to this conflict. You should read it. Some form of federation or joint authority (involving both Jews and Arabs) might be the ideal.

Very far away right now, of course.

You don't have to kill anybody to ethnically cleanse an area, although it helps. Genocide requires killing, by definition.

That’s not Palestine from the River to the Sea.

Yeah. Definitely not happening unless it's imposed on Israel/Palestine by other, non-Arabic nations. Both sides want ethnic supremacy in their polities. It's just not a recipe for harmony.

I am pretty sure if you check back in the thread I was clearly with the end of Hamas terrorism on Isreal, and that they have to defend their border and go after Hamas. I also did say Isreal would take the opportunity to go completely overboard and go genocidal on Palestine because that is what they always do.

I have also said that we really need some sort of regulation on Isreal dealing wuith Hamas because they take the idea and paint everyone speaking arabic as Hamas terrorists. Just like we would never trust Hamas to to regulate and police Isreal, it is time to say the opposite is the same exact problem.

I have to agree with @14thDoctor on this one, that was a dumb statement by David of the Superior Jewish Race, aka zionists.

I am wondering why 14th thinks it was stupid considering he is a zionist.

While technically true I am pretty sure the people who do it often associate cleansing with killing, and I really would not trust them not to kill. Isreal has been trying like hell to pretend they are different, but they fail a whole lot.

With the way humans breed contrarianism I am pretty sure it would be near impossible to ethnically cleanse a large country without killing some person of the wrong ethnicity that just has to live where you are trying to not have them because freedom. You could be living inside of a festering pile of maggot filled shit and there will be a number of assholes who want to live where you are.

I am wondering if the right wing christians of the US would drop Isreasl like a hot potato if they realized that Isreal would not let them own the land where jesus was? I also wonder how much they would support Isreal if they knew that they would be considered palestinian in Gaza due to their non-jewish heritage and therefor be a Hamas terrorist even if they were christian as the IDF is targeting christian places of worship and christians in Gaza.

But you know actually gaslighting the mass of christian trumpers into full anti-semitism (in the hate the jews sense) would be truly Nazi like and I really could not do that. Let jews hope that no one on the right starts stoking that fire, and starts bringing up anti-jewish christian hate on the right.

Some of you jews are cuddling up to the trumpy religious christian right and I am not sure if thaty is really where people like @14thDoctor really want to be? I get you are bothered the left does not support you, but the other side is cuddling with the klan and Nazis. Their big thing has always been Jews bad. Not for nothing, but they are a formidable part of the power structure of many of your home nations.

I am just saying, if you rally up the trumpy right into power because you like Isreal so much that you chase the youth away from voting because they do not want to support palestinian genocide, the radical christian right hates you jews and will be emboldened to kick your ass when in the majority. All this pro-christian nation means jews are wrong.

You really need to think about where you are running off to, and how you are doing it. This jew superiority crap only flies in the jew communities, everywhere else you are just another minority like the rest of us, and that means you do not get to kill off goyum like whity kills off brown people. When you try to send the christian children to die for Isreal it is going to fail. That is when the christian big brother is going to let the jews get their ass kicked by the muslims.

But hey, go snuggle up to the Nazis and see how that goes for you 14th and dumiurge.

Depends what way you look at it.

However, a slogan is a slogan, not a political program. I made it my signature in the face of an ongoing genocide against Palestinians and attempts to censor (here and elsewhere) such expression.

Fairly clear that Netanyahu is trying to provoke a larger war now.

For one they assassinated an Iranian general. Looks like it's designed to provoke a response which would draw the US in.

For another, their pogroms in the West Bank have that place like a tinderbox right now. If there's a significant response, they may try to use that to justify a parallel cleansing and annexation there.

The ultimate goal of this expansionism? If Bezalel Smotrich (the Israeli finance minister) and others in the government have their way, it's what's known as "Greater Israel". This is their map.

Where was this Iranian general when they assassinated him?

Does the IDF have an explanation for why they were operating where this general happened to be in the first place? Did anything significant happen shortly before this guy was unalived by Israel?

It's almost like you only love context when it supports your preferred narrative.

And I'm sure if someone had their sig as "There ain't no black on the Union Jack", that would be just dandy? As someone would be expressing a vexillological fact - as opposed to looking like they supported the National Front via a known racist chant.

Like it or not, you're promoting genocide with it.

He's clearly been wanting that for a while, whilst the war continues he retains power, so he has little incentive to end it, and Iran is more than happy to keep that fire burning away.

I'm not sure the assassination of Iranian military is much of an issue though - one of the keys to peace in the region is regime change in Iran, and assassinations are a little less contentious than taking out whole IRGC encampments, which is going to be on the US' todo list once the shipping delays start impacting economies.

So, would you be saying Isreal is committing genocide in Gaza? I am just wondering if you are consistent with your use of the word genocide. I would say freeing palestine in no way needs to mean killing all jews or even removing them from the area. Even zionists could be present as long as people were free to own land if they were not zionist.

You are blatantly lying that the slogan in my sig means commit genocide on Isrealis or jews. I would say you would, under your own definition, certainly consider the acts of Isreal genocidal on the palestinian peoples. I am just wondering if that is at least the case where you feel both sides are being genocidal.