Israel is Coming Apart at the Seams, It Seems

I still love how one of our most anti-lgbt members is telling us all about how the palestinians are my problem. You could glass all of palestine tomorrow and it would make no difference in the GLBT struggle. If I even thought that stopping palestine would make the world better for GLBT people I would certainly consider it.

OTOH wouldn't it be nice for Mr. Jew superiority complex here if the gays died for Isreal rather than the zionists who do not even allow for gay marriage anyway?

GTFO. No really, do not use GLBT issues to excuse your hatred. It does not even make sense I would worry about a palestinian who has no power as an enemy to myself.

Yeah, Abdul over in Gaza is really a problem in my GLBT life. He can barely make things bad 100 miles from his home. I would have to bring my BT ass to him to make a problem because he cannot get to me.

But according to Dumiurge I should want him dead and go over there to kill him to save the IDF the effort. Better for goyum to die than a zionist.

Yeah, "you'd fit right in with the Castle Doctrine bunch" isn't really the sick burn Matt thinks it is. Defending your home and your loved ones isn't immoral.

I guess if you broke into his house he'd make you tea while you ransacked the place. Nothing more important than being a good host.

No wonder the US and its vassal states are harrumphing about South Africa's case to the ICJ.

“More Evidence of U.S. Complicity in Genocide”: Report Finds U.S. Air Force Provided Intel to Israel

Source: https://www.democracynow.org/2024/1...t_finds_us_air_force_provided_intel_to_israel

Should be interesting to see what comes of it, if anything. Of course, the real issue is this: if the ICJ finds Israel has committed genocide, it goes on to the ICC, of which the US holds a veto vote. So, like always, the US always makes sure the survivors of the people it kills never get to see a day of justice. That has backfired in the past, but the US has yet to learn from it.

What? Why would it go to the ICC?

And while the US under Clinton signed the Rome Statute we never ratified it and formally withdrew from it under Bush II. We are not a part of the ICC much less have a veto over it.

I think she means the UNSC.

It's worth remembering that when the ICJ ruled against the US in the 1980s (in a case concerning attacks on Nicaragua) the US refused to comply with the court and withdrew from compulsory jurisdiction.

And they've been doing what they can to destroy the ICC.

So the legal stuff is not a panacea. But it can help.

Is this thing on?

This. It was late and I was tired.

Sorry, missed this.

No I didn’t watch.

As I thought was clear by my phrasing I was passing on what international law experts said in an podcast. Did you listen to it?

I am not an international law expert nor have I listened to every statement made by every member of the Israeli government.

I will continue to listen to experts on the subject though and pass on any relevant information I pick up.

BBC Newshour had a Yale Professor of International Law on to talk about Israel’s defense (segment starts at 28:28):

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/newshour/id356157099?i=1000641487153

Basically Israel did a good job pushing back on the military strike aspect of the genocide charge but didn’t with the throttling of humanitarian aid part.

As to what follows, as mentioned if Israel decides to ignore any injunction issued while it would go to the UNSC (where it could be vetoed) the Genocide Convention requires all signatories to affirmatively act to prevent genocide so on an individual level countries would be required to pressure Israel to abide by it.

You should do so, if only to ground yourself in terms of assessing what people are saying about this. There are a lot of different views around and the ones you referred to seem bizarre given the evidence presented.

What I'm hearing a lot is that while there might be genocidal statements from the top and genocidal actions by some soldiers, the South Africans will have a hard job proving a connection through the chain of command.
And also that it's possible that the court will split the difference with regards to provisional measures - ordering the Israelis to do certain things (in terms of aid etc.) short of a full ceasefire.

So Netanyahu just tweeted this:

Most of Hamas's military leaders based in Beirut escaped the Lebanese capital due to fears of being targets of assassinations, KAN News reported Sunday night, citing a source within Hamas.

As per the source in the Gaza-based terrorist group, Hamas has taken significant measures to ensure their leaders' security following the targeted killing of Saleh al-Arouri, widely attributed to Israel.

Arouri was killed along with at least five other people in an alleged Israeli drone strike in the southern suburbs of Beirut. Arouri was not only viewed as one of the master planners of Hamas’s October 7 massacre in southern Israel but was also one of the main reasons for Hamas to Lebanon and to Iran.

According to the KAN report, Hamas officials left Lebanon and soon were deported to Syria and Turkey. In addition, senior leader Ghazi Hamad had reportedly fled to Qatar and has not returned to Lebanon since Arouri's assassination.

Hamas leaders in Lebanon flee country in fears of Israeli assassination - report (msn.com)

Oh no, the terrorist leaders don't feel safe walking down the street anymore...

COGAT, Israeli agency responsible for aid and the *exclusive source* for Israel’s ICJ defense of humanitarian conditions to Haaretz yesterday: “There is no hunger in Gaza. There were stockpiles of food in Gaza. Don't forget that this is an Arab population whose DNA is to hoard.”

Link

I do love when a group who has been forever maligned by a false narrative that being greedy and cheep has decided to malign others by saying it is in the DNA to horde. If I am not going to believe all the anti-jewish people who say jews have all the money and are greedy banker types, why the fuck would I believe the Jewish bigots when they tell me to watch out for all those hording arabs because they all do it.

For all this crap my grandmother was a jewish islamic woman. She would clean out the give a penny tray because she could, and she would horde supplies just to make sure you didn't get them. She was neither jewish or Islamic. She was German, and identified as christian. Maybe these are just human traits, especially when you grew up in poverty, and when you are selfish as fuck and think everyone else should drop dead before you.

Here we see the IDF very literally using a human shield. In the West Bank, yesterday. Not an uncommon practice for them.

That sort of tactic is only useful in a terrorized community that is not resisting. A truly dangerous warrior who was really trying to destroy all the jews would have done everything to trip up the IDF people using him as a shield to give advantage to his armed allies and making it easier to break the IDF ranks.

Instead what you have is just regular people being shown not to resist or else they will be brutalized. They are being terrorized and demeaned as human beings. You would never do that in a situation where your opponent had any strength because they would kill you the moment you opened yourself up. In this case it would be immediate.

I see a fifteen second video of some IDF guys taking a non-IDF guy... somewhere. Anything to support this claim beyond the caption posted by Quds News Network?

Wow, your FF impression has gotten really good.

Watchdog finds UNRWA workers praised Hamas massacres in internal Telegram channel

UN Watch probe uncovers messages by UN-employed teachers, urges United Nations to recognize that the relief agency incites to terror

An investigation by the UN Watch monitor group found that United Nations workers in Gaza used an internal Telegram channel, which was meant to facilitate their work, to praise the Hamas massacres on October 7.

The probe, released Wednesday, found that many of the workers at the United Nations Relief Works Agency — the UN body for Palestinian refugees — explicitly praised the onslaught, in which some 3,000 terrorists crossed into Israel, killing some 1,200 people and taking 240 hostages, most of them civilians.

the Telegram channel showed UNRWA teachers celebrating the Hamas massacre shortly after it began, praising the perpetrators as “heroes,” and glorifying the “education” the terrorists received. He said channel members shared photos of dead or captured Israelis and urged the execution of hostages.

The report provided examples, including UNRWA teacher Waseem Ula who shared a post of a suicide bomb vest wired with explosives, with the caption: “Wait, sons of Judaism.”

The Telegram channel is used to assist the teachers and contains UNRWA staff names, ID numbers, schedules, and curriculum materials, UN Watch said.

“In addition, UNRWA teachers regularly share videos, photos and messages inciting to Jihadi terrorism, and openly celebrating the Hamas massacre and rape of civilians,” it accused.

Another UNRWA teacher, Abdallah Mehjez, explicitly called on civilians not to heed IDF evacuation orders and remain as human shields for Hamas.

In another example cited, UNRWA teacher Shatha Husam Al Nawajha responded to a message from a colleague who wrote “They breastfed jihad with their mothers’ milk,” by adding “May Allah grant them victory.”

“All these acts are gross violations of the UN Code of Conduct,” Neuer said in a post to X. “We call on the UN and Member States to recognize that UNRWA is infested with incitement to terror.”

https://www.timesofisrael.com/watch...hamas-massacres-in-internal-telegram-channel/

It's proceeding as planned.

‘No food, no water’: aid officials think pockets of famine exist in Gaza

Aid officials "think" pockets of famine exist? I thought everyone in Gaza was on the brink of death without food or water months ago?

Iran fired missiles late Monday at what it claimed were Israeli "spy headquarters" near the U.S. Consulate in the northern Iraqi city of Erbil, and at targets linked to the extremist group Islamic State in northern Syria.

Four civilians were killed and six injured after missiles hit an upscale area near the consulate in Erbil, the seat of Iraq's semi-autonomous Kurdish region, according to the security council of the Kurdish regional government.

Iran's Revolutionary Guards (IRGC) said in a statement that it had hit a headquarters of Mossad, the Israeli intelligence agency, in the Kurdish region of Iraq. Another statement said it had fired a number of ballistic missiles at "terrorist operations," including Islamic State targets, in Syria and destroyed them.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/irgc-attacks-erbil-us-israel-1.7084946

Rick: Netanyahu is determined to escalate things!

Netanyahu is determined to escalate things. His political survival depends on this continuing.

Of course, like many attacks by many parties to the current ME conflict, the Iranian attacks on Iraqi territory are totally unjustifiable and also depressingly predictable.

We're just going to see a free for all in this, nation states taking the opportunity to strike at their enemies. The US, especially, has contributed to this, because it just attacks countries and justifies it afterwards, if ever, and the UN often rolls with it because what are they going to do to the country that bankrolls so much of their existence?

The so-called "rules based order" is such a joke on this planet.

No one can predict the future. But, one can ensure a fight continues by denying one’s own responsibility.

You're sooo close to understanding something here.

Is that a card you want to play on the deck, with your history?