Reactionary Radical Eliminationists vs. Trans

Amaris does actually have the benefit of being a persecuted minority. You've whined harder about bans from a message board, or even posts on a message board.

I was talking about T’Bonz, dipshit.

Amaris is an entitled adult child who pretends a lack of positive validation amounts to "oppression."

Says the guy who blubbers about minorities ruining his space shows and cartoons.

If I stepped outside dressed as who I really am inside, I would be assaulted very quickly, and in broad daylight, to the cheers of most onlookers.
The thing is, I'm not in some kind of oppression Olympics here. It's why I believe in intersectional and proletarian feminism. We're all fucked if we keep letting these patriarchal, white supremacist assholes maintain power.

We're in this together, with our own problems, but we come together under the same banner, or at least should.

Backlash to transgender health care isn't new, but faulty science used to justify it has changed to meet the times

Source: https://medicalxpress.com/news/2024-01-backlash-transgender-health-isnt-faulty.html

Ever looked at a rates of left-handedness chart after we stopped beating it out of children? There’s a span when it was rising by double digit percent above the previous baseline per year. But it didn’t go exponential, it was sigmoid, and leveled off at the apparent natural rate of left-handedness, around 11%. A similar thing happened when it became socially easier to be gay. Why don’t you think this is just rates of transgenderism rising toward their natural level?

Wait... is TBonz a republican? Man, it's so weird to come back to the Trek Community after a decade on GameFAQs. What TBonz just said would have been an automatic suspension on GameFAQs. So it's wild to hear it come from an admin. I mean, I agree. I feel like that's a pretty sane take. But it's certainly not the way younger generations are skewing.

My memories of trekbbs, T’Bonz was always on the conservative side. And the only reason I know that is because she was an admin.

Feel free to point out where I've ever suggested someone's rights end where my feelings begin.

"Assaulted."

Probably low effort "mean words."

Remember when Richard Spencer got mean words right in the head?
Man, that was great.

And now a week after her private dinner with Tucker Carlson, Danielle Smith has announced a shitload of changes to how trans people are treated in Alberta.

Did she consult with Albertans or assemble a panel of experts before announcing any of this? Nah, she's just gonna do whatever she feels like.

https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.7101053

Fun fact: Danielle Smith has been pushing some bullshit unconstitutional "Alberta can ignore any federal laws it doesn't like" legislation for ages now. I'm hoping Albertans follow her lead this one time and feel free to ignore any provincial laws they don't like.

Eh, call it hate or disgust or whatever you want, whenever I see people with libertarian leanings advocating for the government to impose restrictions on trans folk, I know they're not doing it out of ideological purity or the same cold logic they claim determines most of their positions.

It's absurd that certain people will argue that minors should be able to work themselves to death in a coal mine "if they consent" or buy cocaine and fuck a 40 year old "if they consent" or take out massive financially crippling loans they'll spend the rest of their lives paying back "if they consent," or live in asbestos filled houses eating food full of toxins "if they consent," but then if those same kids want to take puberty blockers or get some elective surgeries, then suddenly they're all in favour of the government stepping in to protect those same kids from making "bad choices" or "harming" themselves.

There's a massive cognitive dissonance there, and "hate" and "disgust" are the only plausible explanations I've been able to find for it.

Iowa Governor's Bill Would Mandate Trans People Have Both Gender Markers On Licenses
House Study Bill 649, introduced by Iowa Governor Kim Reynolds, would ban drivers license gender marker changes unless a trans person had surgery. In those cases, trans people must list both genders.

Source: https://www.erininthemorning.com/p/...Nn8qu_Lrz2I9mROwRESI&r=4dphw&utm_medium=email

This is, of course, the intent.

Republican legislators may not want to get their hands dirty by beating the shit out of trans people themselves, but that doesn't mean they can't force the creation of situations where it will be a lot more likely to happen.

Cool, but think even you would have to admit that the extremists on the anti-Trans side are more numerous and harmful than those on the pro-Trans side.

That would be the goal, yes, just like removing funding for all abortion clinics in a state, the Republicans can then say "we're not interfering" while making it impossible for poor people to get access to an abortion clinic. It's plausible deniability, it is the mark of the coward, and there are a lot of cowards in our government.

Registered Independent.

I prefer balance, which is rather hard to find these days.

Example: Re abortion: Should not be banned. But...

I'd prefer to see free birth control for both sexes, readily available. Free birth control (from junior high on, perhaps) knocks down the unplanned pregnancy rate. I'd also like to see support for those who choose to keep a baby.

Banning abortion a) drives desperate girls/women to back alley abortions and b) harms those who miscarry.

Taking steps like the above to increase the odds that a girl/woman would be on birth control and therefore not get pregnant unexpectedly, and offering options to support them if she does, as well as abortion, seems the sensible choice to me to a difficult problem.

That's not a liberal opinion, not a conservative opinion. It's this woman's opinion. YMMV.

There has to be an honest discussion with the goal that trans people and cis people can exist in public spaces with proper rules in place that alloiw them to take part in the community. There is a need for public restrooms for everyone, and I think maybe it is time to completely rethink the design as women get the majority of the wait due to not enough bathrooms while there may be stalls available in men's rooms. This is one of the areas I think things would be better if we had more cis women architects and designers. Obviously the males do not give a damn about lines for the ladies rooms, because they really designed things for male convenience.

I am open to some legit discussion on the fears and procedures of how trans works so society can have faith that this is not going to be some way predators can easily use to fool people. Of course, there needs to be consideration for people who feel uncomfortable exposing themselves to the opposite gender despite my own disagreements with how that has come about. It is there.

I will agree that trans people need to be less defensive with those who can come to the table to get this stuff ironed out. One of the first times I came out one of the girls had been molested by her father in drag and she had a breakdown. I wish I would have known because I would not have said yes to it. I live in a world with other people who have their own experience. You do have to respect that. I also get the other side of that where there is never going to be a perfect time to get this done, and some people might have to deal with thier own issues while the larger part of the community comes out. I think the world is big enough we can find a way that allows both trans people to come out, and safe places for women who have been assaulted to feel safe. I also do not want to be yet another group that shits on women and does not listen to them. We cannot listen to every woman as people like MTG will never allow things to happen, but that does not mean we trample over those who have been victimized because we can do better.

Just from my perspective, you do not make the world pretend your dick is a vagina. This legit opens up a huge area of abuse that predators will use. I am sorry that the world is full of shitty predatory rapey assholes, but in order to ensure that those predators do not gain access to female only places by just claiming to be a woman there needs to be a real commitment by a trans person. Even I have a huge problem with people who are never going to change their penis into a vagina claiming they are women and should be treated in every way the same. There are certain areas where you should be treated as a woman if you are expressing as a woman, but those are very shallow areas of common public contact. They are safe areas of pronoun use and communication.

If you start letting people with penises into ladies changing areas because they wear a dress and say they are a girl you will get an ever increasing number of guys doing that to get a look at naked girls. It is just going to start happening more and more, and that is a fact. That is not because trans people are liars, but rather because a certain number of horny guys exist who will do anything for a wank. So if you need to be a woman, then you make a commitment to the vagina.

Just on a personal point, why the fuck is that not obvious?

I agree these discussions need to be had with the goal of everyone existing. I will say you need to recognize there is a lot of dishonesty out there about people wanting to fuck these discussions up with their dumb ass bullshit, and often that bullshit is what people with little experience with trans people know because that is all they have been exposed to. It is very similar to the way people bring all sorts of stupid bullshit reasons for being sexist into discussions about how to improve the situation of women in our sexist society. Yes, you are correct trans people should make an effort to not be another group that just tramples on women's rights. Trans women should be listening and empathetic to the female condition, and we cannot rage over women like a bunch of men. That would be un-ladylike.

I will admit I am more bigendered, which is why I do not go into female spaces, nor have gone for the surgery. That was sort of an evolution in life as if I had the opportunity to transition at a younger age I would have probably gone full female I would get ripped up by a lot of transexuals for saying this, but I do think it might be fluid with time for some people and not for others. Some trans people are so hopeless with that identity that the very admission of such a thing would cause them to hate just like certain men if you suggested they try something girly.

However, I do understand wanting to dress up more as a woman. I would have been one of the most annoying pink balls of femininity if I was a girl. I would have done the make up, hair, and everything else. I think growing up as a guy forced me to look much more into the male world than I ever would have if I had been born female. I actually discovered some things I like. The same cannot be said for a lot of trans women.

Well!! Good news!! The Republicans want a nationwide federal ban on abortion, and then they want to go after birth control next!
Hope that makes it easy who to vote for.

Did your YouTube man tell you that?

Someone's cwanky.
Time to put him down for a nappie poo with his Jack Daniels ba-ba.

Give him a break, you would be cranky too if you woke up as him tomorrow. We have to deal with his presence, he has to live as FF.

“This isn’t happening.”
Child protective services in Montana took a child away from her parents because they refused recommend transition therapy.

More at the link.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...ends-states-decision-remove-teen-parents.html

So CPS is removing a child from the custody of parents who are abusing them for their sick twisted pleasure. If your mom dressed you up as a girl and forced you to live as the gender you were not you would ask to be removed too. Or are you saying it would be completely legal and right for your mom to do that despite your wish to be a boy?

Oh yeah, the parents are always right, and if they are then it should be legal for them to force their child to be whatever gender they desire.

Ehhhh, that's the liberal/left opinion.

Doesn't make you one, but if you said to liberals "legal abortion, sex education, and strong social support for mothers" it would be a pretty widespread hell yes.

that bit of gaslighting (mansplaining? seriously?) aside.. there is a bit of gatekeeping in the implication that trans women don't face the threat of violence for existing.

Yeah, she's parroting her boyfriend there. It's sad.