Israel is Coming Apart at the Seams, It Seems

BTW, Trump suspended US aid to UNRWA for 3 years, 2018-2020. Biden restored it in 2021.

Truly Biden is history's greatest monster.

https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN2BU2XS/

We're talking wars where humans are involved, son.

Why the facepalm, 14?

It's pretty clear the civil war FF means is purely in his and other Southerners' heads.

Because you're being a dick to the kid for no reason, and that's cruel. Worse, it's cheap and boring.

Anyone that posted here when Muad was alive learned quickly enough that the North defeated the South during the civil war by cutting off their supply lines and pressuring them to surrender. To their credit, the South did surrender instead of fighting on to the death of every last man, woman, and Confederate child, because that's what governments that care about their people tend to do.

https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/...ost-of-ukraines-terrorism-case-against-russia

The ICJ has rejected most of Ukraine's charges that Russia is engaging in terrorism, but they'd like Russia to investigate themselves. What a joke of an organization.

No shit, dipshit. The confederate soldiers at one point boiled the leather of their shoes and ate it.

There are stirrings that a deal is close, although obviously these things can become unstuck over the detail. Netanyahu may struggle to get it past his coalition for starters. Egypt said to have been pivotal in getting to this stage.

Described as such:

The third bit is vague by this description (who runs the Gaza strip?) and there's obviously the chance that it breaks down before that.

Seems that the UNRWA accusations are falling apart under investigation, of course. But it doesn't matter. Just like with the fantastical bullshit we were sold about Shifa Hospital it goes like so - Israel plants the story, Western governments and media run with it wholesale, and then by the time people actually prod at it and poke holes in it, the narrative has already fully been accepted.

And not even a link to back up your bullshit.

There were hostages held there, one of their bodies was dumped outside nearby. And entrances to Hamas tunnels were found on the premises.

Not that you give a shit. Hamas could announce a plan to nuke Israel tomorrow and you'd still be insisting Israel has no right to defend itself.

Then the rest of your post was recycled "Jews control the media" tripe.

https://news.sky.com/story/israeli-...n-gaza-involved-in-hamas-kidnappings-13059967

"The Israeli intelligence documents make several claims that Sky News has not seen proof of and many of the claims, even if true, do not directly implicate UNRWA."

UNRWA Gaza Director Gunnarsdottir at the UN today: "Of the 12 people against whom Israel made allegations, two are dead, one cannot be identified and one does not work for UNRWA."

There's other stuff, and anyone who is engaged with this topic would already know about this. Besides, the effort to provide links to you in particular is not really worth it. You aren't interested.

So yeah, there might be some people within UNRWA guilty of some stuff. But the narrative we've got going now is that UNRWA are an arm of Hamas and that's clearly baloney.

Those are their current claims, which you of course take at face value. But even if true they do not corroborate their much larger claims made before they attacked, about a huge command centre. Everyone is just supposed to forget about that and move onto the next thing.

Jews don't control the media. Again, associating Jews collectively with any of this - as you are doing - is anti-Semitic.

Yes, it's so hard to believe there might be systemic problems in URNWA that need to be addressed.

It's not like the EU stopped all funding to UNRWA in 2021 because of hate speech in their text books - and didn't resume aid until that had been resolved.

It's not like their own General Counsel wrote scathing reviews of the institution in 2009 and continues to say to this day that vast reform is needed.

It's not like the previous leader was ousted for corruption.

And if you have things like your staff posting things in the UNRWA telegram channel for educators such as 'Anyone who has the opportunity to kill a Jew and doesn't should be put to death' and that post isn't censored and that person isn't fired...

Well shit, if Sky News didn't see proof of something, it can't be true!


I remember back when the Earth was officially flat until Sky News sent a guy to go look for the edge and he sailed around the world instead.

Given their record of dishonesty, any Israeli claim not verified by a journalist or other third-party is worthless.

Fair point.

The one British MP who served a constituency that is primarily Jewish has announced he is stepping down and won't seek re-election.

Why? You know why.

Repeated death threats from Pro-Palestinian 'good guys'. An arson attack on his office. His friend MP David Amess was murdered by a Muslim terrorist in 2021.

Oh, and said British MP is gay.

https://www.ft.com/content/ced49313-f02d-4722-b227-ca32b11eff0d

BTW, this is why right wing parties are on the rise in Europe.

What a vile man...

Dude got ambushed by some protesters that aren't interested in reason, only emotional appeals. I'll give him credit for trying to talk to them instead of just running away.

"But the babies!" Give me a fucking break. Hamas murdered 1200 people and kidnapped hundreds more, and they've been extremely open about their plans to keep launching attacks like that until they've killed every last man, woman, and child in Israel. What should the IDF do, sit back and let them? Does Israel not have a right to protect their own babies from those who would do them harm?

And we both already know the answer, but how come these mouthy old women aren't running up to Hamas leaders and asking them why they don't care about all the dead Palestinian babies their fight has caused?

File under ‘knowing how government works is actually a good thing’ today the State Department just cut everyone linked to all violent West Bank settlers from the western financial system. No bank accounts, no credit cards, no loans, no nothing with any financial institution that does business in the United States.

Of-course, Hamas thinks the same about Israelis...
None, including Israeli children are innocent...
But good to know how you feel, mr. kill em all, even the children...

When you say "everyone" and "all violent West Bank settlers", do you realise that the sanctions currently apply to a grand total of four people?

So, Belgium this week committed to funding UNRWA, among other steps they're taking.

Yesterday, the IDF bombed the Belgian Agency Office in Gaza, levelling it. (Not the first time this kind of 'accident' has happened when someone crossed Israel.)

Now Belgium have summoned the Israeli Ambassador.

Shit could get interesting. There are a group of EU nations pressing for a much harsher stance towards Israel by the bloc.

No sane person thinks Palestinian children deserve to get blown up, but Hamas (the government of Gaza) Hamas started a war they knew was going to be fought inside Gaza, and unlike most governments, they give zero fucks about protecting their own people, so Gazan civilians are getting killed as a result.

Should Israel not fight a war to protect their people just because the enemy that seeks to commit genocide against Israel doesn't care about protecting their own civilians?

Longtime followers of the thread know that my actual position on Gaza is "ethnic cleansing," by which I'd prefer the population of Gaza to be moved somewhere far enough away from Israel that they'd hopefully calm the fuck down and try living peacefully for a a change.

But facts are tricky things, and wars tend to be complicated. It's so much easier to ignore context and cry about dead babies to feel morally superior, right?

Trade proposal: I come to your house this weekend and I stab you. Maybe in the right spot to kill you, maybe not. I'm not an actual doctor. Then I have a go with your missus, and grab a snack out of your fridge on my way out. Maybe you could cook me something while I'm buggering your old lady? Something to consider.

But don't you dare fucking try to hurt me while I'm doing any of this. I've got kids, and if daddy is too injured to go to work on Monday those kids are going to end up starving and homeless. Don't you care about children, dude? (There's no extra food in my house and my bank account is empty, I spent all my money on new sneakers and a fancy stabbin' knife.)

And don't even think about calling the cops on me either, they might put me in jail and then I won't be able to go to work on Monday, and you know what that means. My children, freezing in the streets! Children, starving to death! My children, reduced to wearing rags! All because of your actions.

Is that what you want, you fucking monsters? You want my kids to die? Of course you don't. So maybe go out and buy the stuff you need to make spaghetti and meatballs this weekend.



Anyway, that's what Hamas sounds like all the time. "How dare we suffer the inevitable consequences of our actions! There's kids over here!"

Replace Hamas with Israel...
Except it started 80ish years ago and they still want the Palestinian areas for their Lebensraum...

It goes both ways...
Israel exist because of religion...
Another reason to be an atheist...

It really doesn't, and if you paid more attention to the situation you'd know that.

Israel exists because of the UN, but also because of all the individual countries around the world that voted in favor of it's existence, and all the Muslim nations that treated Jews within their borders so poorly that they decided to move to Israel for a fresh start.

Anyway, can you e-transfer me $20? My kids are so hungry, man. Don't you care about my kids? (I will spend that $20 on a knife sharpener so I can stab you better.) Don't you care about starving kids?

The initial Zionists were largely atheist socialists. The Kibbutz system are communes, that come from this background.

This is why when the Arab world launched it's war to create a second Holocaust by massacring the Jews, the only nation that would even sell weapons to them was communist controlled Czechoslovakia. The US and UK both banned all arms sales.

And of the two, Hamas is the one that's entirely religiously controlled. There isn't even an official state religion in Israel - again, 20% of the Israelis are Muslim Arabs that are the descendants of the villagers who accepted the partition.

Once again, from Hamas defining charter:

Definition of the Movement

Ideological Starting-Points

Article One:
The Islamic Resistance Movement: The Movement's programme is Islam. From it, it draws its ideas, ways of thinking and understanding of the universe, life and man. It resorts to it for judgement in all its conduct, and it is inspired by it for guidance of its steps.

The PLA is nominally secular as well. Hamas is overtly theocratic.

This is the law governing the land of Palestine in the Islamic Sharia (law) and the same goes for any land the Moslems have conquered by force, because during the times of (Islamic) conquests, the Moslems consecrated these lands to Moslem generations till the Day of Judgement.

As to Lebensraum, they literally had Gaza from 1967 to 2005. Why'd they give it back? If they are genocidal and the current casualties are because of that, not because of the war that Hamas started, why did they not either expel or wipe out the population of Gaza when they controlled it? Why did they dismantle the Jewish settlements that were in Gaza at that time?

Why did the population of Gaza under Israeli control surge to 5 times their previous number? Why did life expectancy double?

Fortunately the Palestinians don't have any power after losing their war in '48. And '67. And '73. And the Intifada. And the second Intifada. And when they tried to overthrow the Kingdom of Jordan because they wouldn't let them kill Jews. And Lebanon so they could launch attacks against Israel from their borders. And Kuwait because Saddam promised them he'd help them attack Israel. And now they murdered a bunch of people because Israel and Saudi Arabia made peace.

You can say Israel has gone too far in it's response to the Hamas attack, and I'd say that's a reasonable take. But they aren't the Nazis.

They live next to the people who are.

So, tell us which behaviors you think that it's reasonable to say constitute "going too far".

Oh, I didn't say I agreed with that take, I just said that was potentially a valid point of view. Israel has leveled large parts of Gaza, and the causalties have been high.

But that just goes back to - this shit wasn't happening before Hamas launched it's murder and rape spree, and is a logical consequence of that.

Different people have different thresholds for the outcomes of war. For example, you weren't terribly outraged by the Russian attack on Ukraine, famously saying it's only a genocide if you actively try to wipe out an entire population of people.

Yes, that one is going to come back up. It's one thing to have a single bad take, it's another to be that grossly hypocritical.

I didn't say you agreed with it. That's obvious from your steadfast defense of absolutely everything they do. But you said it was reasonable. So, give examples of the specific behaviors that that is reasonable to say it for.

Dropping 2,000lbs bombs on refugee camps?
Dropping white phosphorous on kids?
Systematically destroying housing?
What?

Creative remembering once more, on both counts. And we've been through that.