Boeing 737 MAX 8

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  1. MikeH92467

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    So dumb worker and terrible QC. Perhaps if a plug is put in there should be more than just bolts fixing it in place since you are really not going to be able to spot such a thing easily. It is like I was saying that perhaps the fastening should be something more permanent in this particular configuration considering a full refit of the aircraft would be required to put it into a new configuration that would require another door. You could make it so the fasteners for the twemp plug were more permanent and harder to forget and remove.

    The same thought I had before, but people want to make excuses.
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    Honestly they need a complete culture change at that company. Airbus is going to continue to eat more and more of their lunch if they don't

    Boeing's capable of making great aircraft - the 787 Dreamliner is by far my favorite plane to fly on - but when you start overlooking things like they have with the 737, you need someone to come in and crack the whip
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    I don't know if it can be done at this point. Boeing used to be a great company where engineers controlled everything and built superb airplanes, but was a mediocre stock. Then after the takeover it was bean counters who controlled everything and turned it into a high flying (for a while) company that built mediocre planes. Putting toothpaste back in the tube might be more doable than for Boeing to go back to its roots as an engineering company. :clyde:
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    I used to work for a broadcasting company that was founded by and run for decades by journalists. At one time it was probably the best company of its type to work for in the US.

    By the time I went to work for them the bean counters had mostly taken over and within the next few years had driven out the remaining journalists at the corporate level, by which time the company's reputation had taken a very hard fall.

    A few years later they sold out to a bigger competitor and a decades-old company no longer exists thanks to their penny-pinching and greed.


    To summarize: fuck the bean counters. :muad2:
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    That’s pretty much exactly what I was thinking.

    Ended up in a wikihole and saw that ValuJet didn’t actually dissolve, it just bought a much smaller airline (AirTran) and changed their name to that one.

    And then 15 years later was bought by Southwest.
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    Oh, and the reason I went there was to see if ValuJet was operating a Boeing fleet and nope…

    MD. :bergman:
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    Why not Trump? :chris:
    Two Executive Orders signed by President Donald Trump, that require the FAA to cut regulations further, may have tipped the balance by diminishing FAA authority and focusing the agency on working against its principal aim.
    There has been a shift in the approach to product certification, towards a collaborative approach that engages the manufacturer as a subject matter expert. The FAA has been tasked with finding greater efficiencies and, as a result, puts trust in manufacturers with established quality systems to make decisions on the parameters for approval for their products.
    While this may seem like putting the fox in charge of the henhouse, there is some sense to it. After repeated budgetary struggles, the FAA lacks the resources to hire specialists in all areas or to keep up with the latest technological developments. Turning to industry to explain the function of the product and suggest a method for proving the safety of the product is, by and large, sustainable.
    The weakness of this approach becomes apparent, as most systemic failures do, in unforeseen circumstances, such as the current scrutiny into the certification of a flight-control system on the Boeing 737 MAX that is suspected to have played a role in two deadly crashes. It's too soon to say to what degree closer oversight may have addressed any failure modes in the 737 MAX MCAS, but the FAA was acting within its policies and procedures by accepting Boeing's proof of the soundness of the system.
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