Boeing 737 MAX 8

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  1. We Are Borg

    We Are Borg Republican Democrat

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    Just over a year ago, I boarded a plane in Vancouver where the pilot informed us all that we were privileged to be the inaugural passengers on a brand-spanking-new aircraft. As a frequent flyer, this didn't particularly resonate with me because I happen to like planes with a proven track record.

    Not five minutes after his announcement, the aircraft's entire electrical system went down and our departure was delayed by over two hours. (If I were a religious man, I'd say that proved the existence of God and She has a wicked sense of humour.)

    I thought about that incident this weekend as the news broke about the horrible tragedy in Ethiopia, so I did some digging into my reservation history.

    That plane I was on?

    A Boeing 737 MAX 8.

    Methinks Boeing has a fucking lemon on their hands. :(
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  2. Dayton Kitchens

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    You can't draw those kind of conclusions from a single air disaster or for that matter a whole series of them. IIRC the DC-10 suffered a number of high fatality, high profile crashes relatively early in its service yet eventually turned out to be a pretty reliable and economical aircraft.

    The DC-10 was noted for a poor safety record in early operations, especially due to a design flaw in the cargo doors. Its safety reputation was further damaged by the crash of American Airlines Flight 191, which was and remains the deadliest aviation accident in the United States. Following the Chicago crash, the FAA withdrew the DC-10's type certificate in June 1979, which temporarily grounded all U.S. DC-10s. In August 1983, McDonnell Douglas announced that it would end production of the DC-10, citing a lack of orders. Airline industry consensus at the time was that the DC-10 had a poor reputation for fuel economy and for its overall safety.[4] In spite of the DC-10's early difficulties, it ultimately accumulated a good safety record, as design flaws were rectified and fleet hours increased, comparable to similar second-generation passenger jets as of 2008
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  3. We Are Borg

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    I think most travellers would agree that we'd like the kinks worked out before several hundred people die and tens of millions of dollars in property damage occur.

    :jayzus:
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  4. mburtonk

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    Yes, Dayton. As they fixed problems with the plane, the safety record improved.
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  5. Dayton Kitchens

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    Problems they probably would never have detected without practical flight experience.
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  6. matthunter

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    "Hey, the USS Yamato just exploded with 1000 people onboard!"

    "It's OK Geordi, just chalk it up to a learning experience and lay in a course to Starbase 27"

    "You don't think we should stay put and investigate to make sure the same thing doesn't happen to us?"

    "Nah, we've transmitted the findings to Starfleet, they'll figure it out. And if we blow up in a different way en route, they'll learn even more!"

    "Oh, yeah. OK, warp 9, and hey let's leave the antimatter interlocks off just for shits and giggles, huh?"
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  7. Forbin

    Forbin Do you feel fluffy, punk?

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    It's great that stories about crashing airliners seem to multiply as I near my yearly visit to Mom. Probably just perception. I hope.
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  8. Paladin

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    You need to look at it like the old joke...

    A: "Whenever I fly, I carry a bomb in my luggage."
    B: "A bomb?!? Why?!?"
    A: "What are the chances there will be TWO bombs on a plane?"

    :lol:

    On topic: I think it's right to ground the aircraft until this is sorted out. We've had two brand new jetliners lawn dart under very suspicious circumstances, and I think it's likely there's a technical/training issue at work here.

    Once is happenstance, twice is coincidence, thrice is enemy action. Let's avoid that third time.
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    oldfella1962 the only real finish line

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    unless your mom moved to Ethiopia (aging parents sometimes forget minor details) you should be safe!
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  10. oldfella1962

    oldfella1962 the only real finish line

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    short clip about airline engine trouble - the last twenty seconds or so is comedy gold!

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  11. Paladin

    Paladin Overjoyed Man of Liberty

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    Yep, know that one well.
  12. RickDeckard

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    Yeah, twice in a year is too much. I wouldn't fly on one of these.
  13. TheLonelySquire

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    What does God need with a Boeing 737 MAX 8?
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    Your God? Hell, he probably just wants to smash into the ground at 200mph like the Egyptian flight did. :(
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    Your God too, Matt, whether you like it or not. ;)
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  16. Tererune

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    god said stop touching little kids you fucking pervert.
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    I won't facepalm this because you _are_ pointing out the disconnect between the tests they use before putting the plane into service and what happens during service.
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    I've invited the fucker to call me up so I can punch him in the dick, if he's so fucking great.

    So far, he's either a pussy or he doesn't exist.

    We've got some evidence that you're real, so we have to draw the logical conclusion.
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    Tererune Troll princess and Magical Girl

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    He might have been on the way to your house and got caught in the rain. Do you see any mushy piles of cheapo crackers outside?

    It is always good when your zombie god can be defeated by getting wet, or a flock of seagulls.

    A small fact people are unaware of, the song I Ran was recorded as a parody of what would happen to Jesus on the beach.
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  20. Spaceturkey

    Spaceturkey i can see my house

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    what's tragic is that you might actually have unique professional insight to contribute... :(
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    It looks like the problem is with Boeing's automated trim system. I have seen reports that Boeing and/or the airlines didn't feel it was necessary to actually train pilots on a system that can cause exactly the kind of result we saw in the two crashes. I don't think there's any real problem with the plane itself. It's looking like a software/training issue that shouldn't have happened. I wouldn't be surprised if some very interesting emails come out that indicate some arrogance on Boeing's part assuming that a service bulletin (that might or might not get passed along and might not get read) was good enough, since the MAX is just a blown up 737.
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    A man in a dress trawling children's bathrooms, while sporting 5 o'clock shadow...who's the most likely child molester? Guaranteed you're a sex offender.
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    If there's one thing Blade Runner and BSG should have taught us, it's that automated trim is never good.
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    But enough about the Pope.
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    Hey, that guy needs to go for numerous reasons. I'm onboard with that.
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    Sorry kiddo toucher, but facts are facts. The most likely to touch kids are the religious like yourself, and since you had to go to stop touching little kids class in your church I would assume you are either on the sex offender list, or the church is covering for you.
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  28. Tererune

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    @Dayton3 is mad because all the priests at his church get to fuck the kids.
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  29. oldfella1962

    oldfella1962 the only real finish line

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    If I were god I'd climb on aircraft wings and become a gremlin to reenact the Twilight Zone episode "Terror at 30,000 Feet". :yes:
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    I just talked to my Gremlin friend.

    He says it would never work for two reasons.

    #1 You'd probably screw things up and make things work better.

    #2 You'd probably see a pretty woman and be stuck at her window the whole flight doing :yeehaw: instead of bringing the plane down.
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