I'm sure the 200+ engineers who got shitcanned in January 2018 appreciate your characterizing them as "random factoids."
Not sure who you're grandstanding for, because I bet none of them are members here. Again, make an argument. Boeing had a layoff in 2018...so what?
Um, skilled workers? I realize you have nothing but disdain for minimum-wage employees, but I'd have thought someone with an engineering degree might earn a modicum of respect from you. Unless it's just pure envy. Outsourcing. Google it. Or, here ya go, I'll save you the trouble: https://wolfstreet.com/2017/06/08/a...-says-offshoring-to-china-wont-harm-u-s-jobs/ Donnie Boy's 2020 slogan? "Make China Great Again!"
No disrespect, just not seeing what your point is. They get laid off...and I must envy them? Okaaaay... And? So, now it's about Trump again? Did offshoring start with him? Has that not been something he's been trying to reduce? Do you care about workers in red state Ohio as much as in blue state Washington? Anyway, I'm still not clear on what you're trying to communicate here. Layoffs happen in industry all the time. It happens when business conditions change. Keep banging on that "Boeing-wants-their-planes-to-crash" drum and maybe you can get a few hundred more people laid off.
Jeez. Look, I hate the moron in the White House but does everything have to be about him? And yet another WF thread devolves into MAGA bullshit. I'm pretty sure Boeing would have fucked the dog regardless of who the President is/was.
True, and I actually think if Hillary was in charge this would have been hidden better. This is certainly a sign that our regulations regarding AI limiting vehicles and doing dangerous things need to have some required multiple redundant backups that are not optional purchases and our present government needs to have more intelligent and technology familiar people watching out for this sort of stuff as we enter the world of computer and robotic automations.
As long as outsourcing continues to be The American Way, you're correct. Only the paranoids like Zombie keep looking for TDS under every rock.
This all reminds me of a feature on - I think it was a Volkswagon model - many years ago. When you slammed on the brakes, the steering wheel locked. The idea was to keep you from spinning out of control or swerving into another car. In practice, IIRC, several people were killed or injured because the steering wheel locked on a curve and off the road they went!
I think you misremember someone's explanation of how steering behaved before anti-lock brake systems (ABS). Before ABS your wheels would lock and you'd hit whatever was in the direction you were going. The unfortunate benefit of ABS is now pedestrians or others that weren't in your line of site now can be hit.
In Boeing's case, the MCAS is necessary because the higher placement of the 737 Max's engines--they're a lot bigger than those of the regular 737--relative to the plane's long axis can result in a loss of pitch control in a stall, which could be catastrophic. If the plane's nose isn't pitched down before a stall occurs, the stall may be unrecoverable. Hence, an automatic system to prevent that scenario from arising. It would seem--though it's in no way certain as of yet--that in both crashes the sensor that detects an impending stall failed in a way that signaled an incipient stall condition to MCAS, so the system forced the nose down by trimming (adjusting the uncommanded position) of the elevator. But if there is no stall and the pilot pulls back on the yoke, the plane--still sensing the onset of a stall--trims the nose down again; repeat for several cycles and the plane is locked on a collision course with a celestial object called the Earth. Pilots are *supposed* to be trained in the operation of the system, to recognize when it is active, and to deactivate it in case of malfunction. It's clear that in the Lion Air accident, the pilots had no idea what was going on. Boeing was selling a second stall detection sensor--an $80,000 option--that could be used to alert the pilots if the MCAS was getting different signals from the two sensors. They're now going to make this standard equipment. They're also updating the MCAS software to "give up" if the pilot continually resists the direction MCAS is going. All pilots flying the Max will need to be thoroughly checked out on the system, to be knowledgeable of its limitations and failure modes, and to know how to quickly deactivate it.
I think this is an accurate summary of the situation. But, you'll have to wait for the full report to be released.
From Wikipedia article on the Ford Pinto (emphasis mine): For the record, I owned a Pinto (my car in high school) and, while I thought it was absolute shit, I never worried about it being unsafe.
A classic. Mine was even red like that (different year, though). My friends gave me no end of shit...
Aside from AMC's Pacer and Gremlin it was the great car related amusement of the era. Not the blowing up part, the joke about it.
I had a toy Gremlin car (bright green color) when I was kid. Perhaps the coolest car our family ever had was a very old Hudson when I was very young, like kindergarten age. It had holes in the floorboard and to a kid seeing the road go by underneath you was cool as hell! Those were the days....no seat belts, parents flicking their cigarette ashes out the window and sometimes they would blow back into your face and burn you, nobody getting a DUI unless they were literally so drunk they were running off the road.....wow times have changed.
Also there was some problem with Firestone 500s blowing out at high speed (or something like that) at the time. I remember a cartoon with a wife getting a car for a present: "Oh Honey, you got me a Pinto with Firestone 500s! How thoughtful!"
Boeing CEO admits they fucked up and says, "we own it". https://us.cnn.com/2019/04/07/politics/boeing-aviation-737-max-aftereffects/index.html Where are @Marso's smug comments now?
The one where I said I'd get on a Max 8 the next day? Still would, even right now before they're all 'fixed.' As I said, professionally trained pilots know how to deal with a runaway trim malfunction. All those incidents in the U.S., yet not one planted. Says something, eh? I still wouldn't fly Ethiopian or Malaysian Airways if my life depended on it. Or was it the one where I said 'let the professionals handle it?' and told you that you didn't know anything about it? Well, the professionals have now handled it and you still don't know anything about it. So what's your issue? What's the matter? Daddy not love you enough? Did I insult you and now you must strike back with the sad callout?!?!
I went long Boeing after reading the anti-Boeing opinions expressed here (mostly) by people I regard as ill-thought or weak-minded, your (moderately pro-Boeing) comments, and the 'probably undertrained pilots' argument I read in press (I rejected the contradictory press reports that said 'the sky is falling'). So my gratitude to you and the idiots for validating my world view. Wall St's got a great nose for this kind of stuff. So thanks bud!
I don't believe Boeing will go down the drain because of this. I also believe it's too soon to start betting on it living longer and prospering. I think the stock will go down before/if it goes back up. In this case, Tuttle has put his money where his mouth is, so ultimately the market will decide if he's right. At $391 per share it's not a bet I care to make, but whatever.
