Progressive messaging in media.

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  1. Raoul the Red Shirt

    Raoul the Red Shirt Professional bullseye

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    So let's spot you that the company could just be lying about what its standards are.

    Can you show a single example where the actual product demonstrates that in order to diversify the actors/characters/producers, Disney (or whoever) compromised the integrity of a story in a meaningful way? How about enough to show that it's an actual trend for Hollywood these days? If so, what are they and what supports the claim that it's diversity (as opposed to other factors) that compromises the story?

    For example, if I were to try to make the argument that Hollywood panders to white males and against true diversity (something I don't actually believe, FWIW), I might point to such things as how many Hollywood franchises till this day are based around the notion of a White guy as a chosen one (Harry Potter, Star Wars, for example), how often those White guys are propped up by women and minorities who don't get nearly half the credit they deserve, how there are talentless hack White guys who get starring roles way above their skills, etc etc.
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  2. Spaceturkey

    Spaceturkey i can see my house

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    I, for one. Am breathlessly awaiting the woke remake of:

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    if only to hear how somebody's childhood has been violated...
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  3. Tererune

    Tererune Troll princess and Magical Girl

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  4. Tererune

    Tererune Troll princess and Magical Girl

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    Let us go for child friendly movies like meatballs. Or how about 16 candles or weird science.
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  5. Diacanu

    Diacanu Comicmike. Writer

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    TIL that Bob Clark did Porky's, Black Christmas, A Christmas Story, and "Children Shouldn't Play With Dead things".
    I knew about Black Christmas and Christmas Story, but not the others.

    "Children Shouldn't Play With Dead things" is kind of the middle evolution between "Die, Monster, Die" and "Evil Dead".
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  6. Uncle Albert

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    Ring of Power
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  7. Uncle Albert

    Uncle Albert Part beard. Part machine.

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    There you go, trying to force your clown world false dichotomies on me again.
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  8. Uncle Albert

    Uncle Albert Part beard. Part machine.

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    I'm not reading all that. I'm sure you're very impressed with yourself.
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  9. Uncle Albert

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    Same answer. Ring of Power.
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  10. Raoul the Red Shirt

    Raoul the Red Shirt Professional bullseye

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    So explain more about how Ring of Power's diversity wrecked the story such that if equally competent white actors/directors were used it would have been much better. (I am at a disadvantage having not watched it).

    Is it purely the principle that Tolkein did not envision minorities in these roles, or are we saying that Amazon picked incompetent actors/directors/etc. primarily because they were minorities?

    And is Ring of Power the only example you have to talk about what is supposedly a common trend? If so, how do you know it is not an abberation?
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  11. Uncle Albert

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    The second one.

    And that's the first that comes to mind if we're confined to Amazon.
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  12. Raoul the Red Shirt

    Raoul the Red Shirt Professional bullseye

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    Who's confining you to Amazon? Go crazy nuts and name as many productions as you can that were made inferior in your opinion because minority talent was employed instead of equally competent white talent. And explain why.
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  13. Uncle Albert

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    We have already been through all the Disney crap. You can just go back and re-read at your leisure. Not rehashing something so you can continue to pretend you don't understand.

    No, nobody is on record explicitly stating "we chose representation over talent," if that is what your pedantic ass is looking for. :brood:
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  14. notnick

    notnick lost, as usual

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    based on his posting history ole AL appears that he can only weld things close to the ground
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  15. 14thDoctor

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    :rotfl:

    You know Middle Earth isn't real, right? :chris:
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  16. RickDeckard

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    I kind of agree about Rings of Power. They had some racial diversity in the casting (not appropriate for material derived heavily from Germanic mythology) and still managed to lean into some fairly offensive cultural stereotypes.

    It's not completely awful despite those things though.

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  17. 14thDoctor

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    I remember reading that their biggest problem was trying to adapt stories from The Silmarillion while explicitly not having the rights to The Silmarillion, leaving them to pick through the material they did have rights to to find secondary references to the stories they wanted to tell.

    But even then, after it aired the biggest plot-related complaint I heard was "they're stretching out the plot too much, the whole first season was basically a prologue."

    Do you think it sucked because Lenny Henry was cast in it? :chris:
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  18. Raoul the Red Shirt

    Raoul the Red Shirt Professional bullseye

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    No, I'm looking for specific examples of movies/TV shows where Disney's use of non-whites talent actively in your opinion worsened a project. Some posts back I brought this up, and I don't think you responded with specific examples.
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  19. RickDeckard

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    You missed my edit. I don't think it sucked. There's a thread in Media Central where you can see what I thought. The casting was a bit irritating and it was one of a number of things I didn't really like (some of which are because of rights issues that you mention). But overall I thought it was a fairly good show.
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  20. Spaceturkey

    Spaceturkey i can see my house

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    it's almost 80 words in a row... I can see how that'd be beyond your capabilities.
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  21. Spaceturkey

    Spaceturkey i can see my house

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    point of order:
    Tolkein's dwarves are based on Norse myth.

    In Norse myth, dwarves are referred to as "Svartalfar"-literally, "black elves". They dwell to the south.

    Anthropologically, HR Ellis Davison suggests that by virtue of their metalworking skills, they're Turks and Arabs (hence finding Damascus steel and other OOP artifacts in viking burial sites).

    Casting PoC actors in the show is a correction.
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  22. RickDeckard

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    Well, it wasn't dwarves that they portrayed as non-white. They made those Scottish.

    But I did not know that.
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  23. Spaceturkey

    Spaceturkey i can see my house

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    she's got dozens of books that are still in print. totally worth the read, jsut be forewarned that it's a super deep rabbit hole to go down.
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  24. Bailey

    Bailey It's always Christmas Eve Super Moderator

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    Holy shit the 50 year old guy is still complaining about Disney spoiling his stories.
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  25. Uncle Albert

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    No shit?!? Do tell. :brood:
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  26. Uncle Albert

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    A thousand words still won't camouflage your failure to demonstrate basic comprehension.
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  27. Spaceturkey

    Spaceturkey i can see my house

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    I suppose that makes it easier for you to continue believing your original falsehood if you just refuse to read/listen to the response.

    It would be a nice change of pace if you'd back up your own claims for a switch though. Not that anyone expects that after all these years of you inhaling lead fumes.
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  28. Uncle Albert

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    You not wanting to believe it does not prove a falsehood. Only objective evidence does that.
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  29. Diacanu

    Diacanu Comicmike. Writer

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    You suppose UA picks robot avatars to symbolize all the irony?
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  30. Steal Your Face

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    I suppose he picks his avatar because he likes it and he doesn’t tie his whole entire identity to an avatar.
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