2016 Presidential Election Thread

She used BleachBit to try and destroy the evidence. And of course God only knows how many times all her classified e-mails were hacked on Weiner's computer, and there is no link with teen boobs that he wouldn't click.

Yet out of all of the email dumps, none of them were hacked from her server. It's like it's a black hole or something.

If -- and I daresay that's a fucking big 'if' -- the Trump campaign needed to know, they could fucking wait until after the election to find out.

and telling the GOP candidate turned out to be completely secure, didn't it?

Oh, who cares? Hillary's people don't believe a word Trump says, and thus they're even less like to think the FBI is on to them than if nobody said anything at all.

BleachBit is the government recommended method destroying records when the time arises. So is the hammering of devices.

And it is at their discretion when something can be destroyed. The only irregularity here is that it seems to have happened after Republicans in Congress directed that all be preserved. Basically, the GOP in their witch hunt gave a direction that some Clinton staffers ignored - which is a problem and might get someone in legal trouble at some point, but the whole "BleachBit and hammers" routine is just how the Republicans manipulate the simple minded to believe it was a massive criminal conspiracy. Folks like you, if the GOP told you the e-mails were deleted by drunken leprechauns you'd believe it.

The government doesn't recommend people destroy evidence that's under subpoena. In fact, they send people to prison for that.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...mails-after-getting-a-subpoena-from-congress/

Actually, they lied about that. The e-mails were deleted after the subpoena and after a major conference call with Cheryl Mills and others.

Just because you intended to destroy evidence earlier doesn't mean you can go back and do it later.

The evidence of the cover-up is sitting on the laptops the FBI took and agreed to destroy under Comey's corrupt agreement with the targets of the investigation (Hillary and her inner circle). Fortunately the FBI agents thought that was a crock of shit and kept the laptops for evidence in the inevitable criminal trial for public corruption, destruction of evidence, obstruction of justice, fraud, wire fraud, money laundering, mishandling classified intelligence, etc.

Any honest look at Trump's statements demonstrates the same logic fallacy you've documented. Take that wall and NAFTA, for example. All our jobs went to Mexico, so Mexicans are clamoring to come here for work. It's a preposterous contradiction, and yet his supporters repeat both statements, never giving any thought to the problem that both statements cannot be true.

Both statements are true.

all well and good, if proven true in a court of law.

Still doesn't prove that the "OMG!! Bleach bit and HAMMERS!!!!"{ blather is anything but manipulative pablam fed to idiots to keep them stirred up.

If you way so.

The right wing didn't make up the BleachBit and hammers. Those were in the FBI report.

That will all get revisited because Clinton and all her cronies lied their ass off, as has been established, and that voids the immunity agreements.

Second, if what they were doing wasn't illegal and wouldn't send them to prison, why did they need an immunity agreement?

Also, why did her cronies plead the Fifth Amendment several hundred times?

The answer to all that is that Hillary is utterly corrupt, tried to conceal her illegal activities from federal oversight, and has been continuously lying, committing perjury, and destroying evidence.

These are the behaviors a President might display as they're being removed from office for high crimes and misdemeanors. Hillary is already way past anything Nixon ever did to cover things up.

Yeah, maybe.

None of that means her server got hacked.

Trump's campaign mailing list is going to be worth billions.

Yes, the FBI reported that the devices and records were destroyed in the government recommended and approved method.

And Republicans realized that many of their supporters were gullible enough to be manipulated if they made it sound like such destruction was an entirely radical thing to do instead of SOP - folks like yourself.

The method is approved for destroying government records that have never fallen into private hands.

What Hillary did was massive willful destruction of evidence that was under subpoena, an act which would put anyone else in jail for years.

Are you talking about the "Oh Shit" moment?

That wasn't Hillary. That was one of her employees realizing he fucked up. How can she be held accountable for that?

Because he took action immediately after a massive conference call with Cheryl Mills and the other cronies, then demanded an immunity deal and still pled the Fifth.

If what he did was innocent then he wouldn't have needed to do any of that. Ergo, what he did was not innocent.

What he did wasn't innocent. He was told to destroy the emails before the subpoena. He forgot to destroy them and destroyed them after the subpoena. How is that Hillary's fault?

Because he was on a conference call with Hillary's top people, and probably Hillary, months after the subpoena, and after that he destroyed the e-mails.

Now why would Hillary and her top people be on a conference call with her e-mail server people months after everything had been subpoenaed and apparently deleted?

Answer: They wouldn't. The only reason such higher-ups would possibly have to conference call with some 20-something tech geeks is if they knew the e-mails were still there.

Not necessarily. It sounds possible to me that he may have realized he didn't do what he was supposed to have done months before, and had his "oh shit" moment. That doesn't mean Hillary told him to destroy evidence after it was subpoenaad.

It also strongly favors the moderates in Iran, and religious hardliners were the minority in Afghanistan when the Soviets invaded and in Iraq when the US invaded.

Yes, and after her testimony, the Republicans never mentioned Benghazi again.

This is impossible to know. No politician ever keeps all their promises, we don't know which ones Hillary will keep, which ones she'll break, and what she'll do while in office. She'll no doubt retain some firm support while she's in office, but a lot can happen between now and 2020.

If the Dems gain control of the Senate this time around, they'll likely have the barest of majorities, which means that the GOP can stymie nearly everything that Hillary attempts to do. Perhaps, if the public gets frustrated with the way things are, we'll see the Dems get a larger majority in 2018, but we've no way of knowing that at this point.

Why would you eliminate those groups? Because you don't think that the majority of Americans would vote for them? We've seen Hillary's lead get largely eroded in the past week in the wake of the current scandals, even though rational people should be able to see that Hillary's the better choice. After 4 years of her being in the hot seat, and having to accept accountability for the decisions that she's made while in office, the GOP is going to have more ammo against her (even if she's completely above the board in her actions). If we have 4 more years of stagnation in DC, it is highly like to weaken HIllary's bid for re-election, rather than strengthen it.

Sure, Hillary's smart, cool under pressure, and understands Washington, but the GOP isn't going to go quietly if Hillary wins. They're going to be pulling out anything and everything against her, no matter how absurd it might be. She'll have to keep a much tighter grip on her administration than Obama has on his, if she expects to survive politically. That's a nearly superhuman task, and any cracks will be held up as evidence that she needs to be impeached and removed from office. (House Republicans are planning on holding impeachement hearings if she wins, and I expect that these will be like the votes to repeal Obamacare in terms of frequency.)

Four years is an eternity in politics, and history doesn't favor a country who's leadership is under constant siege by internal enemies.

so what he did wasn't innocent, they fucked up and offered immunity to the one guilty guy and it didn't get them a bigger fish. Sad!

so apparently the WSJ is reporting that the National Enquirer paid $150k for an exclusive story about Trump having an affair with a Playboy bunny less than a year after his last wedding - then spiked it.

Which I'm sure has nothing to do with Trump being big buddies with the publisher.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/nationa...m-playboy-models-affair-allegation-1478309380


Rigged!! Sad!

minimal impact I'm sure, but great idea in principle

http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/11/3/13478042/third-party-clinton-vote-trading

That doesn't explain why everyone involved demanded immunity, and why he still pled the Fifth till the cows came home.

But we need not worry over it because the FBI still hasn't destroyed the laptops of the people involved because the agents are in rebellion against the corruption and lawlessness at the top of the FBI and DOJ. Apparently a lot of them, born crime fighters that they are, have been collecting evidence to utterly destroy the Department of Justice.

The political elites in charge of both agencies have lost control of their underlings. The good cops are going to burn to corrupt cops, and Hillary along with them.

Nate Silver has it hovering around 66% for Clinton and 33% for Trump, which is a better chance than Romney had.

Doesn't immunity imply some sort of quid pro quo? Why haven't any of those people handed over any evidence that her server got hacked? And why haven't any of those hero FBI agents leaked that evidence?