2016 Presidential Election Thread

Discussion in 'The Red Room' started by T.R, Apr 8, 2015.

  1. Dinner

    Dinner 2012 & 2014 Master Prognosticator

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    So you are now admiting that he did have a decade of experience and are switching your attack to you just aren't impressed by his experince?

    Well, at least you have stopped lying and are now becoming more honest. All in just two posts. That must be a new record.
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  2. Lanzman

    Lanzman Vast, Cool and Unsympathetic Formerly Important

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  3. oldfella1962

    oldfella1962 the only real finish line

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    Voting "present" and being a community organizer? Yeah, that is some "holding their feet to the fire" pressure right there. A fucking Jiffy Lube manager has more real-world experience.
  4. Dinner

    Dinner 2012 & 2014 Master Prognosticator

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    You're the one who put your foot in your mouth not me.
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  5. garamet

    garamet "The whole world is watching."

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    If only his Daddy had bought him a baseball team he could have shown some real leadership skills...
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  6. Tuckerfan

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    But can she work the pole?

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  7. T.R

    T.R Don't Care

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  8. Lanzman

    Lanzman Vast, Cool and Unsympathetic Formerly Important

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    We do all know that polls this far ahead of the election mean pretty much nothing, right?
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    More Clinton dirt in the New York Times

    Beyond mines in Kazakhstan that are among the most lucrative in the world, the sale gave the Russians control of one-fifth of all uranium production capacity in the United States. Since uranium is considered a strategic asset, with implications for national security, the deal had to be approved by a committee composed of representatives from a number of United States government agencies. Among the agencies that eventually signed off was the State Department, then headed by Mr. Clinton’s wife,Hillary Rodham Clinton.

    As the Russians gradually assumed control of Uranium One in three separate transactions from 2009 to 2013, Canadian records show, a flow of cash made its way to the Clinton Foundation. Uranium One’s chairman used his family foundation to make four donations totaling $2.35 million. Those contributions were not publicly disclosed by the Clintons, despite an agreement Mrs. Clinton had struck with the Obama White House to publicly identify all donors. Other people with ties to the company made donations as well.

    And shortly after the Russians announced their intention to acquire a majority stake in Uranium One, Mr. Clinton received $500,000 for a Moscow speech from a Russian investment bank with links to the Kremlin that was promoting Uranium One stock.

    And of course the Clinton Foundation only gives out 15 percent of its income to charitable causes, and that's counting charitable causes where in return for their "charity", Hillary's brother gets an unheard of gold mining concession.
  10. T.R

    T.R Don't Care

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    Right, but it is still fun to track nonetheless. As I suspected, Hillary's inevitability factor is losing steam and it is only a matter of time before some heavyweights from the left jump in.
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    Walker is trying to position himself to the right of the far right. Most Republicans just say they are against illegal immigration (while blocking legal immigration from happening) but Scott Walker now says he wants to end all immigration including legal immigration. This may well play well in the primary but it will kill him in the general (if he makes it that far) especially with hispanic and Asian voters.

    Any Republican candidate would need about 45% of hispanic and Asian voters while maintaining their almost 70% share of white males. Romney only managed in the low 20's with Hispanics and Walker would probably get even less.

    http://www.slate.com/articles/news_...immigration_the_wisconsin_governor_s_new.html
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  12. gul

    gul Revolting Beer Drinker Administrator Formerly Important

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    I wonder who those heavyweights might be. I agree that Hillary's veneer of inevitability will wear off, but most of the Democratic heavyweights are not well positioned to step in. They either have too much baggage of their own, are too old, etc. I think the Democrats have a tremendous demographic advantage, but they ironically don't have a lot of great candidates. Not that the Republicans do either, but at least they've got a bunch of people running.
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    The trouble is that thousands of extremely powerful people gave the Clintons about $2 Billion dollars, and they expect a return on that investment. Many donors, of course, already got their payback, such as the above uranium miners and the Russian government, but many donated on the assumption that Hillary would pay them back once she was President. So other potential Democrat candidates would have to worry not just about crossing the Clintons, but crossing those extremely rich and powerful donors who don't want to see their many years of multi-million dollar bribes go to waste. But since the Clinton Foundation is so secretive, it's hard for other candidates to figure out exactly who all those powerful donors are, and whether they might respond with a political scorched earth campaign.
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    What about Corey Booker? He's young, articulate and progressive. The only knock on him is he just got elected but I don't think many care about that anymore.
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    Nobody is sure if Corey Booker is gay or straight, left wing or right wing.
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    gul Revolting Beer Drinker Administrator Formerly Important

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    I like Corey Booker and a number of others at his level, but I don't think they are ready just yet.
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    garamet "The whole world is watching."

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  18. gturner

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    So he's adopted the same stance Obama and Hillary had until two years ago?
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    Chardman An image macro is worth 1000 words. Deceased Member

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    No, but thanks for playing.
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  20. garamet

    garamet "The whole world is watching."

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    :loltears:
    Cruz Leads Charge Against Lynch, but Misses Vote



    Meanwhile, a case of affluenza?
    Rand Paul's Kid Cited in DUI Crash


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    If he'd been in church like a normal person then that wouldn't have happened. But no, he has fallen to the temptations of sin and alcohol and is destined to burn in hell - unless we elect his dad so a Secret Service agent can be William's designated driver at all times.

    Google street view of the crash site.

    That took some serious drinking.
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    Elwood I know what I'm about, son.

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    They closed that location, but did open a new one about a mile down from me on Nicholasville Road, in behind the Burger King and near the Taco Bell. :drool:

    From the alcohol level maybe he'd left one of the bars on Chevy Chase, or had left somebody's apartment and was heading to the bars on Chevy Chase or Woodland, perhaps Lynaugh's Irish Pub. Anyway, he probably spent his car insurance money on kegs, or perhaps his grandfather convinced him that car insurance was a scam based on fiat currency and our economy should be instead be based on the free exchange of beer.

    ETA, for those unfamiliar: Ramsey's Diner link

    They're famous for their hot brown, which is an open-face sandwich piled with turkey, cheese, white sauce (with egg), bacon, and tomato.

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    It's a heart attack on a plate.
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  24. garamet

    garamet "The whole world is watching."

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    If I could just rep this part, you'd get a :D.
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    I bought two of your books yesterday. :)
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    Just don't try to burn them with a bbq lighter and lesbian shoes.
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  27. oldfella1962

    oldfella1962 the only real finish line

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    My "long term" political prediction is US demographics will keep shifting until we will never again see another Republican President. I might be wrong, but the math is not in their favor.
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    Actually, the math is in their favor, which is one of the reasons the Democrats are so desperate to import as many potential future Democrats as possible. Republicans have very high fertility, while Democrats have very low fertility.

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    The idea of importing enough Hispanics will also fail, because unless they move to California, New York, or New Jersey they either split or swing Republican. They'll end up voting much like Italians.
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    gul Revolting Beer Drinker Administrator Formerly Important

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    I'm sure there will be another one at some point. Eventually the party will morph in to something else, just as both have done on more than one occasion. But as currently constituted, Republican Whitehouse prospects are dim.
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    gul Revolting Beer Drinker Administrator Formerly Important

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    gliar's cute little chart makes no correction for population. Idaho will remain quite small, despite the fertility rate.