A Chart to Help Those on the Fence About Punching Nazis

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  1. Tererune

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    Thank you dinner, but this logic is terrible. You are irrational and dishonest. Feel free to run from your own bullshit argument. It won't make it right, and it only supports you being a coward who wants others to be violent for him.

    But since you want to bring up gay issues and racism let me say at one time those people were considered disgusting and evil and deserving of being beaten because they were disturbing the moral fabric of America. It is still going on in many areas where it is ok to beat a black or glbt person for the same reasons you give for beating Nazis. They are taking over America and are going to make everyone brown or gay and we have to stop them by beating them because they have infiltrated our government with special rights like every straight white person gets.

    Sorry the first amendment gets to you by protecting ideas others find offensive. However, just like it protects Nazi ideas it also protects the idea that slavery is disgusting, and racism is wrong. Both slavery and racism were at one time defended as moral and allowing blacks to be equal to white people was evil according to society. It was criminal to educate blacks or marry them. It was legal and necessary to hang them from trees and lynchings were something you brought your children to.

    Homosexuality and transgenderism were disgusting immoral behavior. They were and are treated worse than child molestation by the US moral police. There are people who want to make it legal to have trans people arrested for pissing. But it is still the first amendment that protects our voice against the lies.

    Without the protection of disgusting immoral speech the first people to go would be black and glbt, not your Nazi cousins who think and behave a lot like you do. I also know you can let them speak because over the years it has not been punching anti glbt people who have made glbt people rise in the public eye. It has been being part of the community and making a positive influence despite the horrible ways we have been treated that have shown our true colors. It is not that I have not had my moments of wanting to go kill a bunch of straight assholes, but it only makes me a criminal and no one is siding with the right when they have school shootings or kill some black or gay person. Matthew Shepard got beaten and tied to a fence because he was disgusting and how did that work out for the idea that gays are evil? sure, it was horrible for him, but it was a pivotal moment that changed a lot of people's minds about the morality of hating gays.

    So go ahead nd run from this argument and go discuss how evil I am with the boy and everyone else who hates me. It won't stop me from hammering you.
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  2. Tererune

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    Since you don't actually punch anyone and want others to do it for you, why don't you lie a little more about punchability since you don't seem to be punching them. You should do your own crime.
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    Quincunx anti-anti Staff Member Administrator

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    Do you not have a different view of Nazis than other groups? Boy Scouts, Rotary Club, Nazis, all pretty much the same? :unuts:
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    Goddamn girl scouts, man. Cookies are drugs. They're all drug dealers. Sugar's a drug. We have to stop them!


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  5. Tererune

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    Yes, if it comes to assaulting someone without being in direct imminent danger from them I would consider them the same. It is probably a bit worse if you are beating up on younger boy scouts or some disabled person, but that is why we have variable sentences. We are talking about assault here, not other consequences of your ideas. If you want to fire a Nazi, go ahead. If you want to ban a Nazi, go ahead. I can see reasons for that. But there is no excuse for assaulting someone for an idea. There has to be actions that demand you protect yourself from physical violence if there is no time for anything else like calling the cops.

    Almost every one of these ideas in this thread for punching Nazis has been used to promote the need for violence against Muslims, the glbt community, Hispanics, Jews, blacks, and anyone else the Nazis do not like. It does not make the logic any better if you are using it to lynch Nazis.

    Besides, if you are really pissed about the Nazis gaining power it might be a good ide to look at the election system which allows a minority to gain control of Congress and the white house and break the laws of this land with those powers. You cn punch all the Nazis in America, but until you fix that they can still put Twitler nd the Republican Nazi party in charge. Of course, that does put the need for violent rebellion a bit closer and maybe that is what people want.
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    I am siding with the girl scouts. I will submit to the rule of their cookies.

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    What part of "freedom of association" are you not getting? You're saying it's okay to commit violence against someone based on their friendships or groups they belong to. It's morally wrong and no law in the country backs it up. Move to a dictatorship if you want to live in a world dominated by fascism because it's never going to happen in the United States.
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    I've said no such thing. I just don't feel too sorry when Nazis who are out doing Nazi things get what's coming to them. And no matter how hard you try to equate them, being a Nazi is not the same as joining the Book-of-the-Month club. It's announcing your intention to gain power which will then be used to harm people. Specifically identifiable groups of people, who can not be expected to say, "I don't agree with their desire to exterminate my race, but it's great to see people working so hard to accomplish their goals!" Punching a Nazi might not be the best way to deal with the situation, but damned if I'll lift a finger to defend one, and would gladly endorse the lightest possible sentence for a convicted Nazi-puncher.
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    "Nazis out doing Nazi things" generally do get what's coming to them here in the US - which is to say that they get ignored or mocked. And sorry but 2018 Nazis will never ever ever get the traction the 1938 Nazis did.
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    That's a surefire way to invite disaster, by assuming there aren't people that committed to murdering mass numbers of other human beings.
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    I would find punching a Nazi funny, but I am not going to go out on a limb defending some guy who went down that path. I am also not going to go hunting the guy down. We have police for that sort of thing.my sympathy for the pain of the Nazi is just going to be non existent.

    I have to say I do find it a tad offensive that some cowardly asshole makes a case for me going out and fighting the people they find evil for them, and risking whatever consequences while all they do is fear monger from their couch. If you want me to even consider following you out to fight the Nazis you better damned well be doing it, or else you have no concern for me or anyone else. It is pathetic when we have people like Twitler who want to send others to fight a war for them when they used bone spurs to avoid doing their duty. It is the same thing when the 14th wants other to go punching Nazis but then he says he cannot do it himself because it is against the law and you should go face the consequences for breaking the law while he sits here and fear mongers.

    Not to mention I can do better at fighting Nazis than punching them.
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    Not to mention fired and potentially arrested if they get all uppity. There are consequences for being associated with a hate group like the Nazis. You are correct this is not 1938 Germany. Trump is not Hitler, and his Nazi buddies are not going to seize power over America. White people are barely even a majority anymore, and I doubt the people of America are going to start going down that road presently. Could things change? It would take time and be visible through our new society with the internet. This idea that we are two steps away from Nazi Germany here in the states is about the same as the idea that we are two steps away from Sharia law.

    I am cool with Nazis being fired and banned from places. Social consequences for social problems. If the Nazis want to get all violent they are not winning against the police, and we have jails for that sort of thing. Toss them into prison and let them live with all the other violent people in max.
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    Then you're making an entirely different argument than the OP and others are making here .:shrug:
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    Except Dinner doesn't call for people to be killed, retard.
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    Or elected. Or lauded by your President. Or feared by those having to hide from their mob.
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    Tererune Troll princess and Magical Girl

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    Actually, you are the one who dehumanized them and calls them animals, not me.
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    Dinner 2012 & 2014 Master Prognosticator

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    You're just the idiot who lied and claimed I want other people killed when clearly I do not. So fuck off.
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    Tererune Troll princess and Magical Girl

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    Trump did not create the holes that allowed him to be elected, and punching him and his people does not close them or prevent it from happening again in the future. Besides, the Nazis that were here are only coming out of their holes. They actually seem to be losing ground since coming out. A while back the black white war they are promoting would gain traction, but now it is failing, and especially with the younger people.

    This idea that there is a growing Nazi movement is sort of like the idea that all of a sudden people are turning gay. They were always there, it is just people never knew it.
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    You have been cheering for bombing the fuck out of Muslims for years now, and telling us all how we need the war because those animals will take us over. Now you and the 14th are having a very similar meltdown.

    Please do tell us all how Muslims should be respected and are not animals if you feel that way.
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    Oh good. Now that I know how to piss off that dumb Mormon woman, I'm going to be busy for a bit :bergman:
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    Jesus Christ :facepalm: yes indeed there are people committed to murdering mass numbers of human beings. My time in Bosnia pretty much nailed that point home. :yes: And while we can't control how every nation handles their business, as far as Nazis ever gaining traction right here in the US at least, I would say that on a potential danger scale of 1-to-10 of a full-on crisis of a Nazi reign of terror & oppression it's currently at about .5 :shrug:
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    You’re forgetting something, @Quest is the most partisan person here and a retard.
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    If being anti-Nazi makes me a partisan retard, I guess I'll wear it. :shrug:
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    Being attacked by the boy most likely means you were doing something right.
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    I mean, if Indiana Jones is an antifa thug now... :borg:
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    You've called for Saudi Arabia to get glassed because they weren't doing their part to take in Muslim refugees.


















    ..........oh, you said you don't advocate killing people.

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    This is the guy all the righties in this thread were defending.
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    We've known all along this is how racists think, and this is what they believe based on their actions, but to hear it said out loud is refreshing.
    The dog whistling and denials become so tiresome.
    This is what they all say behind closed doors at their little cigar smoking secret handshake parties.
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    Fuck Nazis like Spencer and his ilk, and fuck fascists who think they can just crush people under their boot heel.
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    now if communists crush people under their boot heel then it's all good, right? :unsure:
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