No, you have to wait 20 years until he leaves in a huff. Then he'll blame it on corruption among the WF community.
In this particular thread you've been asking questions and I've been responding to them, only for you to seemingly ignore my responses. So...
Oh! Oh! Oh! Is it me? 'Cause Federal Farmer thinks I'm a raging anti-American. And Federal Farmer is never wrong, so he must be right.
FF thinks most people are anti-American, whilst being the guy Cap rails against in most Marvel comics.
It's not that America is above criticism, far from it. My issue is with the people using this tragedy to repeat every possible criticism of America made over the last several decades whether they apply to the situation or not, and the other people that see it and think "that's a good argument that makes sense" instead of calling out the contradictions in their various complaints. At least the "use every possible excuse to justify leaving and see what sticks" folks seem to have stopped, but it's still disappointing that they weren't dragged for some of the garbage justifications they trotted out.
Did you criticize ISIS-K for blowing up innocent people too, or did those kids deserve it for collaborating with the evil illegal American occupiers?
This is a debate forum. And since there aren't any people in this thread supporting or defending ISIS-K and it's kind of a given that we all think they're barbarians or psychopaths, there's little need to trot out rote condemnations. Least of all to earn your permission to criticise American killings.
You sure? When the topic was the Taliban murdering anyone that assisted the coalition, Spot's response was basically "everyone does that, no big deal."
No, I said it was predictable. As in blatantly predictable with no room for doubt from the very start. As in the best time to prevent it happening was twenty years ago because once the invasion had occurred the only remaining play was to stay on and never give the Taliban that opportunity. In the here and now we have a scenario wherein Biden might be able to limit the damage, but damage there will be.
How does my post here amount to "everyone does that, no big deal"? Pretty sure you're having to really stretch to get that as the takehome. After 7,000 odd years of recorded history with wars being a primary focus of so much attention it shouldn't be beyond policy makers to grasp a few fundamental lessons, one if which is that deposed regimes and their supporters will seek retribution if allowed back into power. Yet another reason not to launch invasions, especially ones where your vulnerable allies are inevitably going to be left to the dogs.
Cap doesn't JUST fight Nazis, you twonk. There's killer robots, aliens and fucking idiots who think America was great the way it was in 1950 and want to keep it that way. You can choose which you'd like to be, but I'll warn you now I'm only vaguely sympathetic to two of those.
I'd say it's the wordforge way. But, unfortunately, @14thDoctor has succumbed to the same asinine BS that Sokar, et al, bullied him with years ago and has become prevalent throughout the US media, but I think, the world as well. Take one small bit of a part of a sentence and escalate that to mean exactly the opposite of whatever your original intention to say was. Gotta hand it to him though, he has worked hard to sharpen his skills in that area.
The first car bomb killed 188 people and injured 200. They stopped this one less than a mile away from the airport. It's very unfortunate that the secondary explosions of the car bomb killed the innocents nearby, but that was MUCH LESS than would have died if it got to the packed crowds trying to escape.
As opposed to how predictable twenty years of Taliban rule would have been, with al-Qaeda an integral part of their governing structure? That seems pretty predictable too. Hell, OBL would still be alive, as there would have been no need for him to go into hiding and flee the country. We don't know how many people died during the first few years of Taliban rule after they took over Kabul in 1996. There was no free press and no one keeping tabs on the body count. We do know they violated the UN compound and drug out one of the former Presidents of Afghanistan, Mohammmad Najibullah, and hung him in the center of the city. We also know Afghan civilian casualties were at their highest recorded point in the last 20 years during the Taliban's offensive before the US pulled out. A third of those were children. There were 400 casualties in a single attack at a girl's school, 90 dead, in Kabul. And we'll go back to not knowing how many deaths occur in the country, because the executions will be barred from public disclosure. https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/08/world/asia/bombing-school-afghanistan.html https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-57967960
It is not america's job to police the world and make laws in other countries. If you would like to be their hero my suggestion is you nut the fuck up and go there. Do patrol their neighborhood and hunt down the Taliban for them. I am sure they will welcome you as the mighty liberator you want to be. They will build statues in your honor Mr. Superman. The US military is not superman or the world police. They are not the liberating heroes these people accept or want. These people do not want to be americans no matter how much you think it would be better if they were. Stop trying to colonize and make them subjects of the US. You are wrong, and your imperialistic bullshit is evil and has it's roots in racism. As for the problems in their country, that is human nature. We have never been moral or great. We have come from violent rapey animals who kill each other for a number of reasons. So before you go saying your m,orals, which you do not have, are some sort of real thing, remember those values are made the fuck up by humans. Before we came around there were no morals in nature. when we came around we had no actual morals. We are trying to be what we consider better, but there is no rule book on that. The US as a nation certainly is a horrible genocidal and violent nation that has killed off so many for it's own survaval and dominance in the human environment that it has absolutely no business tell other people it has such superior morality from it's creation and founders. The idea that the US constitution and founders were moral and just is absurd and wrong. There is no divine goodness to our constitution. Our constitution was racist, sexist, and horrible. It's creators were racist, sexist, genocidal, and entitled rich white slave holding christian men. This is not to down america, this is the fucking truth that we are not some great bastions of goodness, justice, and rightousness as you are lying and saying we are to justify slaughtering brown people in the middle east for acting as we have.
How many of those 188 were actually shot dead by American troops in the aftermath? We probably won't ever know, because while you will continue to repeat official claims about both incidents as if they were established facts, no proper investigation will ever be carried out.
Before we go doing all this shit we actually have to establish an organization that has power over the world, some intense moral guidelines, and a shitload of oversight. Not to mention a popular mandate to enforce global law. The US has none of this shit. Not to mention, instead of a global mandate to do this shit, other countries have established sovereignity and are opposed to the US doing this shit. You need to step down from your absolutely delusional state of mind where the US is ruler of the world, and in any way moral enough to do these things. I would be for the world establishing some sort of power that can protect people from what humans have always done. But it is not there. You are skipping the step of making such a power, and people seeing it's importance and joining the social contract to agree to it's rulings and laws. Until this happens it is perfectly within humanity to do these sorts of things unopposed in many places. The reality is no country, including the US, has enough power to step in and stop it. The idea the US would actually give a fuck is laughable and shows you are naive and very gullible. It is a huge bold faced lie that the US actually uses it's military for such purposes. I am not saying they do not claim it, or that some of it's lower level cogs believe it, but that is certainly not what it is used for, nor what the US government stands for. There are horrible things being done to people every day. US authority does not need to go to afganistan to find it either. We have guns, murder, rape, corruption, explosions, natural disasters, and all we can manage going on down the street from us. You do not need to go to afganistan to find a horrible person doing terrible things. You do not need to pretend stopping them would even put a dent in things. Stop avoiding your own local flaws by blaming other foreigners for their behavior. That is all you are doing. You are simply distracting yourself from your local problems by focusing on others.
