An Important Complaint Against Faceman

Irrelevant, since Vlad was only manifestly NOT breaking the rules but was in fact behaving exactly as the competition's host expected entrants to behave.

Seriously - some of y'all are talking as if you've never heard of an open vote internet contest before.

I agree that Vlad over-reacted since everyone, including the host, knows a lame-troll when they see one (albeit the troll succeeded in provoking outrage so thus was no longer "lame") - but the premise that the charge of "rigging" or "sandbagging" on Vlad's part is valid is not remotely in the same universe with reality.

How long you folks been on the internet? A week?

Chup: I would take you more seriously if you didn't have the habit of trolling me regularly for RL information about what I do in Africa. I post all kinds of personal information, including pictures, and still you keep at me about it as if you deserve to know all the details of what I do.

And then you argue that using RL information against someone isn't that big of a deal.

It sets off very loud alarm bells in my mind to hear someone who has been so strongly solliciting personal information saying that it isn't a big deal to use that information to hassle someone on other sites that are connected with their personal and even professional lives.

Beyond that, graphic art, like Acting or writing or music, can often turn on the "one big break" and none of us can know if winning or losing a competition like this might be THE big break that changes his life.

Again, I don't disagree that Vlad was a bit powned by the otherwise lame troll because he panicked and worried that PE would disqualify him. no argument there.

but that's not the real issue - the issue would be more along the lines of some competitor's supporters becoming more motivated by the comment and thereby winning the competition.

Honestly, the risk of that is low - but it's not zero. and THAT is the manner in which the fucko directly put Vlad's professional career in the discussion.

Another way that we could, as a community, respond to this would be to rally support to make every effort Vlad ends up winning.

then we can at least know that the troll did not, in fact, cost him the "big break" if, in fact, this were it.

The potential benefit to Vlad is not winning the contest itself. Rather, it's a higher profile for his work that a win would lead to, which might in turn lead to other opportunities.

Since when did asking someone a question equate to using personal information against them?

If you don't want to answer a question, don't answer it. Simples. Using personal information against someone is an entirely different act. But then you are intelligent to know that so I suspect you are being obtuse simply to try and make a righteous observation.

Well, again, the Ted precedent is on record. A board owner can most certainly choose to conclude that it's not in the best interest of the board (his property) to allow the continued membership of a person who demonstrates any behavior he find disturbing - at Wordforge or elsewhere.

Suppose it comes to our attention that Poster X has been convicted of child molestation. In an incident having nothing to do with Wordforge. is the owner within his rights to say "I'll not have that fucker in my virtual presence"?

Sure he is.

Now obviously, this is an extremely minor incident in comparison to such an act - BUT the principle is still the same: the owner has not only the right to say "what you did elsewhere disqualifies you from being a part of our community" and it sets no sort of bad precedent at all.

That's not "policing" behavior elsewhere - that's freedom of association.

and, to paraphrase anc - if you chose to be a fucko, that's the chance you take.

Edit: to be clear, I'm neither advocating or objecting to a ban - I'm arguing that a ban is certainly an intellectually defensible reaction, in general terms, to a member who chooses to fuck with another members career.
The whole "slippery slope" or "bad precedent" argument is nonsense in my view.

If we were talking about something big, I'd agree, but as you've pointed out, "obviously, this is an extremely minor incident." There is an over reaction to this incident by a vocal minority. The slippery slope argument goes to the concept of whether we reward the screaming of "onoz." Lanz already made the proper response, this thread now only exists to feed the troll. That's why we need to ban Skin and Packard and end this nonsense.

from my point of view, I've moved beyond the question of whether THIS incident should provoke a ban - you'll note I have not advocated that.

(I do think it deserves some public shaming)

I'm not discussing whether or not a ban is warranted here, I'm discussing whether or not it's valid to argue that off board behavior is beneath our notice, or whether it's valid to argue that fucking with someone's career is in principle grounds for any action Lanz sees fit.

And with that this thread has run its course.

While the Nocturne issue seems resolved, there is still a good discussion going on here and I have had a couple of requests to reopen the thread so it may continue.

Remember this is the Help Desk and remain civil, please.

Thank you.

Why continue the discussion if Vlad doesn't wish any action to be taken? There is no more discussion to be had, save for the attention you wish to drum up for yourself around someone using the name Tamar at another website. You don't own that name. There's a term for drawing this sort of attention to oneself, and it rhymes with "detention boar".

The discussion has turned to the rules in general rather than this specific incident...I see no reason why that shouldn't continue if people wish it.

This has nothing to do with me.

I think there should be a rule against using ellipses in posts...Discuss.

Both Vlad (the victim) and Lanz (the board owner) have already weighed in on this and it's not going anywhere. Why else would you continue to make a big deal about it?

Whether or not Vlad is still pissed off is irrelevant. As Nova pointed out right before the lock, the discussion had gone beyond that into where we think the line is between trolling and fucking with someone's personal/professional life. It's an important discussion to have. As the Real Life and the web continue to merge the opportunities for this kind of fuckery only increase. Do Lanz, the Admin, and the board as a whole really want to have a head in the sand attitude about this kind of thing?

Lanz has already stated that he doesn't care what posters do at other websites. Nor should he. I think it's a perfectly reasonable stance to take, given the fact that he doesn't own those websites and given how many websites the Wordforge community is active at. What's next, do you want him to monitor our Facebook pages to make sure we aren't doing anything naughty that could be traced back to Wordforge?

Ellipses are fine . . . so long as you remember the fucking spaces!

Hey, good idea.

Look what you've done! Why are you so hellbent on destroying the Gray Room? It was running smoothly before you meddled with it.

Yes of course! Let's continue to discuss how a member of WF is messing with a poll on another website through less than ethical means.

Let's start with this guy:

http://wordforge.net/showpost.php?p=2375914&postcount=125

I think we should ban combination bolding and italicizing. There is no need for that much emphasis at Wordforge.

Go on...

So much is left to the imagination when it comes to ellipses...it let's people get away with writing out incomplete thoughts, and honestly...

In other words, because you had a vested interest in this discussion you went over Clyde's head.

Bad precedent to set IMO.

I say, let's ALL be Tamar!

*Stuffs beach-balls under shirt, and puts on a red wig*

Reported for impersonating an administrator.

*walks into thread*

Hey, baby. What's shakin?









Aw, shit.

No.

I don't give a flying fuck about the name being used since Jazz didn't believe for a second it was me anyway. I was upset at first about the notion someone thought it was fun to try and make a friend think I was being hurtful to them and I think that notion is wrong...but what am I going to do about it? Nothing I can do. It's not even the first time...and that was worse.

If I am so vested and evil thug on this topic why haven't I been campaigning for years for harsher rules since then? Hell, I didn't want more rules when my real, full name was posted at TK and we all knew who did it!

It is exactly as I said. I was asked to reopen it for discussion's sake and didn't think it was an unreasonable request, and I still don't.

I just don't think this thread seems as "important" a "complaint" as the title alleges. It should probably be closed now as I'm tired of being trolled.