Atomic bomb nearly exploded over North Carolina in 1961, report says

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  1. garamet

    garamet "The whole world is watching."

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    Cite it yourself or you're lying.
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  2. Dayton Kitchens

    Dayton Kitchens Banned

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    If you do not except preventing the spread of communism as legitimate to the self interests of the United States and its allies, then nothing I say will convince you otherwise.

    Try reading "The Black Book of Communism"
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  3. Dayton Kitchens

    Dayton Kitchens Banned

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    Here you go precious


    http://www.amazon.com/Carl-Sagan-Co...=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1379807378&sr=1-1
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  4. garamet

    garamet "The whole world is watching."

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    No, genius. Cite the specific examples you gave from the text of the book.
  5. Volpone

    Volpone Zombie Hunter

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    I really, really, really wish DickRetard could live in a Soviet-style state. I guess there is Cuba. Venezuela would be good too. Or n Korea.
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  6. ed629

    ed629 Morally Inept Banned

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    Written about Sagan by someone other than Sagan, so it's subject to interpretation of the writer not Sagan himself.
  7. evenflow

    evenflow Lofty Administrator

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    I skipped ahead, we've politicized Carl Sagan now?
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  8. Lanzman

    Lanzman Vast, Cool and Unsympathetic Formerly Important

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    Apparently in addition to his other idiocies, Dayton thinks Sagan was evil.
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  9. garamet

    garamet "The whole world is watching."

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    Dayton is. But it's, yanno, Dayton.

    Yes, and someone might very well have waited until Sagan's death to misrepresent him in this book.

    However, when all Dayton can do is show us the cover, we can be relatively certain that he's lying.

    What probably happened is someone in church told him "That there Saygun feller was a adulterer."

    Therefore, in Daytonworld, it's okay to bear false witness against him on everything else.
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  10. RickDeckard

    RickDeckard Socialist

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    It would be most unpleasant.

    But "The Soviets were bad so we can do whatever we want for our own ends" won't wash, however bad they were.
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  11. Dayton Kitchens

    Dayton Kitchens Banned

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    Why not?
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  12. Dayton Kitchens

    Dayton Kitchens Banned

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    I do not think I ever heard a word about Sagan in any church I've ever attended.

    Once again, the book cited is Sagan's OFFICIAL biography. Perhaps Garamet can explain what that means given she is an author herself.
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  13. RickDeckard

    RickDeckard Socialist

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    Because of basic morality, which you lack. Two wrongs do not make a right.
  14. Nova

    Nova livin on the edge of the ledge Writer

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    The major population centers of the U.S. East Coast catching fallout? probably Crazy Ivan sees that as the golden opportunity to finish us off while we are reeling.
  15. Nova

    Nova livin on the edge of the ledge Writer

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    You are SO playing my song on that one. I'm not typically a grammar nazi but that one gets under my skin
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  16. Dan Leach

    Dan Leach Climbing Staff Member Moderator

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    No, MAD would still apply. Russia would never have launched any kind of attack.
  17. gul

    gul Revolting Beer Drinker Administrator Formerly Important

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    Think about the religion you claim to believe, then think about whether you can answer your own question.
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  18. Spaceturkey

    Spaceturkey i can see my house

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    drawing a circle from Raleigh NC to NYC, NY...

    Could've gotten rid of both carolinas, both Virginias, Kentucky, Tennesee, most of Georgia...

    yeah, they did miss a good thing.
  19. Ebeneezer Goode

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    Ummm, no.

    It was the jockeying of two powers to exert influence, and were it not the for Soviet expansion after WW2 I doubt the US would've done much interfering outside it's own backyard in South America.
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  20. RickDeckard

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    I suppose that's why they had plans drawn up to subordinate the "grand area" containing most of the world to the needs of the US economy long before the end of WW2.
    Expecting any nation with the level of dominance that the US enjoyed after WW2 to remain mostly isolationist is unrealistic.
  21. Ebeneezer Goode

    Ebeneezer Goode Gobshite

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    Drawing up plans isn't the same as enacting them, otherwise we'd be discussing Blue Peacock devices.
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    Yeah fallout doesn't work like that..... in circles....

    Prevailing winds would have pushed most of the fallout out to sea. There would be a risk of some contamination to DC and New York City and the areas around those two cities but that depends on how weak the wind was that day. If the wind was strong it's more then likely that you'd of course have local fallout around the explosion area and the rest of it would be in the oceans.

    There may even be a risk to the northeast part of the country. Again it all depends on the winds that day.

    But definitely South Carolina, West Virginia, Tennessee, Georgia would not get fallout. (unless the winds picked that day to turn around and go the other way then they normally do in which case then DC and New York would be spared)
  23. Muad Dib

    Muad Dib Probably a Dual Deceased Member

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    Did you know that the world's first major nuclear reactor accident was in Canada?
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  24. Spaceturkey

    Spaceturkey i can see my house

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    Thank you, captain obvious. Maybe you'd like to point out that I was simplifying the point
    by using the blast radius suggested by Maud?

    260 times the 6 mile radius of Little Boy would be 1560 miles. Radii tend to be circular. :shrug:
  25. Muad Dib

    Muad Dib Probably a Dual Deceased Member

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    I didn't suggest a blast radius. I quoted a news article in the OP.
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  27. Zombie

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    Muad Dib was obviously not talking about blast radius since there is no way the blast radius of a 3.8 megaton weapon would reach as far as New York City.

    Also your math is way off.

    260 times more powerful then Little Boy is a bad comparison that confuses many people. It doesn't mean that it's bigger by 260 times.

    An explosion as big as you think 260 times Little Boy is would wipe out the United States and cause massive world wide damage.

    This is a map of the area affected by a 3.8 megaton bomb (not including fallout).

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  28. RickDeckard

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    But they did enact them - as far as was possible - which is the point. This stuff was not just a reaction to Soviet expansionism.
  29. ed629

    ed629 Morally Inept Banned

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    Blew up my backyard with Littleboy, it was rather underwhelming.
  30. garamet

    garamet "The whole world is watching."

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    It means if you claim "these words came from this source," then you cite them directly from the source.

    You don't say "I found a photo of the book cover on Amazon. I win."
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