Beck has a dream

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  1. garamet

    garamet "The whole world is watching."

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    Pssst, read your own sig. You're actually trying to talk sense to the "I've got mine and fuck the rest of you" crowd. ;)
  2. Muad Dib

    Muad Dib Probably a Dual Deceased Member

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    Reconstruction. :muad:
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  3. Diacanu

    Diacanu Comicmike. Writer

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    But, I thought conservatives were all invulnerable macho men, even the women, with liquid John Wayne in their veins that could punch commie bullets out of the air, and call them faggots.

    So, that's all a prick waving fairy tale?

    You're just made of fucking meat, and you can fucking die like anyone?

    Well, that's a jarring admission.

    Couple years ago, couldn't've pried even that out of ya with a crowbar.
  4. Diacanu

    Diacanu Comicmike. Writer

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    I didn't have to pry it out of you with a crowbar?

    I guess I was just asking the wrong questions....

    Well, okay then, you admit commies can mop the floor with you, and you're frail and flawed like everybody.
    Good for you.
    :techman:
  5. evenflow

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    Ya know, I'm betting most of those Beckers had been paying taxes to Washington DC for their entire lives, and until then had never used the services in the District of Columbia until that weekend. They'll most likely go home, never use them again, yet keep paying taxes like good little proles.

    Given that observation, one has to wonder, shouldn't the mass transit and other services have been completely free?
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  6. Bobcat

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    No, that would be Socialism, or Communism, or some other -ism. I'm sure the Teabaggers would want it to be paid entirely from user fees, not taxes.
  7. evenflow

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    So would you, given your fascination with the topic.

    They've bought and paid for those services over a lifetime, the fact that they were forced to pay at gunpoint shouldn't negate proper compensation upon eventual use should it?

    I mean, paying for services you've already paid for, repeatedly...

    What sort of 'ism' is that?
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  8. Bobcat

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    That's called not practicing what you preach.

    What better way to highlight the waste of "big government" by completely avoiding all public services for the rally, thereby showing how unnecessary "big government" is.

    By using these government services, they are demonstrating that "big government" is necessary.
  9. Scott Hamilton Robert E Ron Paul Lee

    Scott Hamilton Robert E Ron Paul Lee Straight Awesome

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    Are you really going to keep harping on what is a rather stupid point? The government has designed the city in such a way as to require public transportation.

    This isn't about creating an anarchy, it is about restoring balance.
  10. Bobcat

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    I guess any point with which you disagree is a stupid point.

    Bottom line: Teabaggers = Hypocrites
  11. Scott Hamilton Robert E Ron Paul Lee

    Scott Hamilton Robert E Ron Paul Lee Straight Awesome

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    You're not a source of truth. Your opinion has been weighed, and found wanting. :)

    Have fun trolling elsewhere, lolcat.
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  12. Diacanu

    Diacanu Comicmike. Writer

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    Naw, just dupes of the same Republican machine they decry in their meaningless propaganda slogans.

    Pity them...don't hate...pity.
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  13. evenflow

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    Those public services might actually be private if they weren't put out of business by state funded, eminent domain confiscated road systems.

    How does it feel to have killed the very thing you love? :(
  14. Clyde

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    Must say I haven't much of an opinion regarding the Tea Party movement(?) though it seems the name has inspired some of the wittier folks to refer to the Tea Party people as Teabaggers.

    :clyde:

    Seriously though, how can anybody get that wound up about any particular side in our one party system?
  15. Diacanu

    Diacanu Comicmike. Writer

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    No...the tea partiers called themselves that.
    :yes:
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    Is there a particularly coveted Clueless Dingbat Forgie that no one told me about? Because it seems like we've got some pretty fierce competition going for it this year.
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    Ford Motor Company had a bigger hand in killing private multi-passenger transporation systems than the government. Bigger cities recognized the need for it, and provided it.
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    If they really wanted to stick to their principles, they should have held their Teabagger rally on private property, so that no tax dollars would be needed.
  19. evenflow

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    And GM bought up rail lines only to close them. I wonder why they would do that? I mean, was some other entity subsidizing the infrastructure they were using to profit from?

    In other words, you made a good point, but not the one you thought you were making... :?:
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    Are you suggesting that those private multi-passenger lines were subsidized by the government?

    If you're talking rail lines, then I'd have to disagree - there's no way Jay Gould et al would have qualified for public assistance in the late 1800s and early 1900s.

    And, no, I wasn't talking about the street cars in Detroit, Cleveland, etc. -although, that certainly had a hand in it. I was talking about private mass transit being pushed out of business by auto companies.
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    Auto companies subsidized by eminent domain and publicly funded concrete.

    Twasn't the free market that brought us fast food, urban sprawl and SUVs.
  22. Jenee

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    I'm not sure what you mean there.

    How was the free market not responsible for those things?
  23. Scott Hamilton Robert E Ron Paul Lee

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    I'm sure evenflow will have a much better answer than I, but:
    1. Government paying farmers to produce certain kinds of food, encouraging them to do what otherwise would not be economically sustainable. This is the reason that the average American is made of corn (the carbon in our bodies can be traced back to corn)
    2. Urban sprawl: zoning laws and building permits, pigeon holing folks into doing things the gubmint's way
    3. SUV's: The government subsidized production of truck platforms over cars for years to give US makers a break over Japanese makers through "tax breaks." These tax breaks were not designed to be available across the industry, only to certain makers.
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    It's simple really. Those things would not exist if not for the continued confiscation of private property via eminent domain, and the building of interstates and freeways. All these roads serve as arteries, and along these arteries we get fast food, urban sprawl, and more automobiles.

    It's the world we live in, but let's not blame the private sector for merely following incentives laid forth by bureaucrats and central planners.
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  25. Nova

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    And if they had, you'd be totally in favor of all of those people receiving a prompt refund of that portion of their taxes which go to pay for public works they never use, yes?
  26. Jenee

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    Ah. I see.

    So, it's ok for only certain private industries to take advantage of subsized roads? The strong survive?

    In that case, let's bring back GM and the street car scandal - because the only "subsidation" from the public for those streetcars were the roads that those rails were put into.

    Bringing us back to the loss of private mass transit being the fault of auto companies.
  27. garamet

    garamet "The whole world is watching."

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    Has anyone mentioned the big follow-up rally in Alaska on Saturday?
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    I'm not sure the Alaska thing is supposed to be high profile.

    But FreedomWorks is planning a big whoop-de-do in Washington on 9/12 (IIRC) and SEIU and their cohorts have a big something-or-other planned for sometime in October.
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    There's two or three rallies going on in DC this weekend.

    The first one is on Saturday, by PatriotsforAmerica, at the Washington Monument, and is more a memorial. From 8:45 (when the first tower was hit) - 10:30 (when the second tower fell).

    Then, United in Action is having a march and rally also on Saturday from 12:00pm to 4:00 pm, beginning on Constitution Ave and then heading towards the Mall.

    On Sunday, FreedomWorks is having their rally.

    I know all this because one of my co-bloggers is attending. Her and her family left for a quick trip to NYC earlier in the week and then are heading to DC (should be there now I think actually).

    It will be interesting to hear her first hand take on all these rallies.
  30. Muad Dib

    Muad Dib Probably a Dual Deceased Member

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    What about the rally where MLK gave the "I have a dream" speech?