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  1. Diacanu

    Diacanu Comicmike. Writer

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    Neither did I until I did the deep dive.
    She's not going to come out and go "AAAAHAHAHAAA!!! I'm a TERF!!! IIIII'm a TEEERFFF!!! HAHAHAHA!!!!!!".
    No, it was a slow sneaky buildup. The supporting rotten legislation is hard to hide though.
  2. Demiurge

    Demiurge Goodbye and Hello, as always.

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    Why? Only you guys get to use acronyms to label those you disagree with? How many times have you used TERF? LOL.

    As it is, I read it for the first time in this thread and simply tired of typing transrights activist. But let me guess - you assume it has a deeper meaning than that and that only could be used in that context.
  3. Demiurge

    Demiurge Goodbye and Hello, as always.

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    Ah, so you have a specific tweet where she says everyone who supports transrights is a horrible person?

    But good to know you think MAGA has some people that are upstanding members of their community and worthy of your respect. LOL.
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    Steal Your Face Anti-Federalist

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    What legislation.?
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    That's a whole lot of words there.

    -Trans people attempt and commit suicide and much higher rates than the general population.
    -The general consensus in the medical community and the trans community is that various medical and social supports can alleviate that risk.
    -Anti-transgender bigots are actively pursuing legislation to outlaw those exact medical and social supports, knowing full well what will be the result if they succeed.

    But hey, they're not using actual missiles yet, so... :shrug:
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  6. Steal Your Face

    Steal Your Face Anti-Federalist

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    How dare you call a trans rights activist a trans rights activist! Even worse you used an abbreviation. If you use a double negative then you’ve really crossed the line.
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  7. Diacanu

    Diacanu Comicmike. Writer

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    She's yet to say she likes 'em.
    And she's outright lied about quite a few.
    Jessie Gender just said she personally didn't want to give the Potter franchise her money or attention anymore, and Rowling called her a fucking book burner.

    Communism has good ideas that almost always get corrupted when implemented on a large scale.
    Fascism has mass murder written into its moral code.
    MAGA isn't as explicit as avowed fascism, but its violent inclinations are made clear.
    If you can demonstrate a similar handbook of evil for trans rights, by all means, supply it.
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  8. Ancalagon

    Ancalagon Scalawag Administrator Formerly Important

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    This is hilarious coming from one of the biggest feelings over facts whiny pissbabies on this site.
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  9. Demiurge

    Demiurge Goodbye and Hello, as always.

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    Nuance requires pointing out that more than one thing can be true, and that takes more words than simple yes/no responses.

    I've stated multiple times I'm not for religious interventions in public policy, and actively oppose this nonsense. I'm actively for transgender people getting appropriate medical care. I only have concerns when the nonsense that gender and sex are identical start impacting OTHER PEOPLE's rights and well-being. There is no positive assertion that we are required to make others feel good about their choices.

    But objective reality says that even if the Taliban 2.0 were successful there would be less harm than what is going on in an active warzone where one side is attempting the genocide of the other en toto. Not a small subsection of the community, the entire nation. Apples and hand grenades.

    And saying this, which should be appallingly obvious, especially when there's the slight but real possibility it could devolve into a general war or god forbid a nuclear exchange, doesn't mean that I'm for religious barbarism here.

    It just means I reject the equivalence and see this as once again a level of ideology that is drastically distant from objective reality.
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  10. Nyx

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    It's only used in active TERF circles, yes. There's even a huge forum on Reddit called "TRAAAAAA" that is exclusively for anti-trans bigots. So that, "transwoman," (purposely putting the word together to make it seem like trans women are some kind of "other" and not women), "transgendered," (as a way of othering transgender people as a group), all used heavily in TERF circles. Your dog whistles give you away. I mean, it's not a leap to say you're a TERF, but it's interesting to watch you use the language.

    "You guys."
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  11. Demiurge

    Demiurge Goodbye and Hello, as always.

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    LOL, yes, only Diacanu is allowed to use sarcasm. Surely the woman who has sold the most books of all time can't possibly be proficient in that art form.

    C'mon. You are embarassing yourself.

    https://twitter.com/jk_rowling/status/1604180531155017731


    It's pretty easy to find examples of mass murder in all successful power ideologies, and that certainly includes examples of democracy and capitalism. Wave hi to the next native American you see.

    But death threats are a non-starter among individuals, very hard to justify, and if you can show me where Rowlings wants the extermination of everyone who disagrees with her, please supply it.
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  12. Diacanu

    Diacanu Comicmike. Writer

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    My bad. She protested pro-trans legislation.
    Same effect, different procedure.
    But my recollection was flawed, and I apologize.
    To my fellow Wordforgers.
    Fuck Rowling.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-63170808
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  13. Demiurge

    Demiurge Goodbye and Hello, as always.

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    LOL. All news to me. But no, I'm not going to censor myself for your sake because you don't think there's any chance that I could possibly be simply using an acronym.

    I'm tired of 'you guys' constant need to enforce your worldview on everyone else. It's juvenile.
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  14. Diacanu

    Diacanu Comicmike. Writer

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    Not really, the actual tweet is actually lamer than Jessie's description of it.
    That's some UA levels of binary.
    "Purethink"? Really?
    Jesus, Demi. :sigh:

    Good thing no one is.

    Not the claim being made.
    Nice strawman though.
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  15. Demiurge

    Demiurge Goodbye and Hello, as always.

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    I linked the tweet, Dicky. It's clearly using book burning sarcastically. And yes, purethink is exactly what's at issue here.


    Sure you are. You think she's wrong in reacting to the doxxing, death threats and abuse. Because she is worried about women's rights being impacted by well meaning but ultimately flawed legislation.

    You are equating her position with Naziism. So yes, it clearly is the claim being made.
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    Glad to hear it.
    The people upset with Rowling are upset about a bit more than a disagreement about gender and sex being identical.
    Insulting any segment of your customers is generally bad business, though. And when the product you're selling is yourself, it's especially bad business.
    Captain Picard : How many people does it take, Admiral, before it becomes wrong? Hmm? A thousand, fifty thousand, a million? How many people does it take, Admiral?
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  17. matthunter

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    ...you're an asshole.

    It costs you nothing to stop using a term others who aren't hurting you have told you they find hateful.

    Unless you get a kick out of hurting THEM.

    It's fucking easy enough to avoid issues with this. You're on a computer, so if typing "activists" is so fucking hard learn to CTRL+C/V. In person, use you/they/their which are gender-neutral.

    If you have an issue with respecting pronouns that ISN'T rooted in bigotry, then it's sheer fucking laziness and a hatred for new stuff. My mother hates that "everything is an app!!" these days, but I don't call her anti-app, just old and possibly in need of a care home.
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  18. Diacanu

    Diacanu Comicmike. Writer

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    People didn't object to Michael Richards yelling back at a heckler, it's WHAT he yelled back.

    No, I equated MAGAism with Nazism, which you dragged into the conversation.
    "Here, punch this piñata!! Omigawd, look everyone, he hates piñatas!!".
    Please.
    :rolleyes:
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  19. Spaceturkey

    Spaceturkey i can see my house

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    $80 Cdn to own a Lib, huh?

    On the flipside... yeah, there probably is an argument that JKR could've gone the other way had she realized the reaction she'd provoke and been met with a space safe enough to be wrong.
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  20. Demiurge

    Demiurge Goodbye and Hello, as always.

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    Yet that's the focus of virtually all her views - including the one now, which Dicky just posted about, where she is concerned about a rapist going to a women's prison. That's all about gender vs sex.
    While I understand your point, it's also #1 on steam for sales. It appears controversy is not bad for game sales. She certainly isn't worried about her next paycheck.

    And it's interesting to see how many glowing articles of her in the early 2010s - she gave $150 million in charity in one year and got knocked off the Forbes Billionaire list because of her giving. So that was at least 15% of her total net worth at the time.

    Now she's just that evil bitch everyone hates. Again, not a lot of nuance in the world - and none at all on twitter, which attracts extreme personalities from all sides.

    LOL, sorry, that's a pretty good example of our disconnect. That's just a ridiculous statement by Picard IMO. I always wanted to see the follow up to that - with Picard in a Federation hospital dealing with the deaths of millions. Nog hobbling up to him. Sisko punching him in the face for choosing to let so, so many die. How many could they have saved? And that because a group of immigrants got to a world first, and didn't want to share it's secret to help billions? But the writers wouldn't follow that one up.

    It's appallingly naive. Give me Sisko doing whatever it takes to save the Alpha Quadrant any day. :)
  21. Diacanu

    Diacanu Comicmike. Writer

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    Okay, Albert.
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  22. Demiurge

    Demiurge Goodbye and Hello, as always.

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    So you are factually wrong, but it's OK, because the way you feel about it. LOL.

    And this legislation is exactly what Rowling was warning about. It takes doctors out of transgender status entirely. Anyone who lived for 3 months as a different gender can auto report as that gender, and will be treated that way under the law.

    And, of course, no actual reporting or enforcement mechanism.

    The women who was raped worried about men using these loopholes to attack women in what have traditionally been sexually segregated havens of course is going to have a huge problem with this.

    I won't ask why you are pro-rape, as that shows just the same amount of ideological inflexibility as I'm opposing, but I have a really hard time understanding why these types of statements are worthy of such scorn.
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  23. Diacanu

    Diacanu Comicmike. Writer

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    "I won't do this thing, but I just did the thing! Lol!".

    Does anyone want to take him seriously anymore?
    Cuz I'm kinda done.
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  24. Steal Your Face

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    I wouldn’t call that transphobic, but it’s not exactly something that I would oppose. I think she’s maybe taking this one issue a little too far, otherwise she probably would align politically with the left.
  25. Demiurge

    Demiurge Goodbye and Hello, as always.

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    And I in no way, shape or form think that what she has said back is equivalent to that racial slur.

    Again, this is someone who has been victimized, first as a rape victim, and then after a massive assault on her in public spaces that included death threats.

    If she brings some heat back I completely understand.

    Then it should have been easy for you to point out the nastiness and ridiculousness of the backlash against her going so far as death threats.

    But what was it you said? 'She has yet to say she likes them.' Because that warrants abuse. LOL.
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  26. Demiurge

    Demiurge Goodbye and Hello, as always.

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    I explicitly didn't just do the thing. And I stated why.

    And I'm sure having a different viewpoint will lead to many here to attack or mock me - happened last time.

    But then, that's my point. Good thing I don't need an ounce of validation from you or anyone else here.

    But I sure do enjoy pointing out the hypocrisy. :D
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    Steal Your Face Anti-Federalist

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    People can still report things to the police.
  28. Diacanu

    Diacanu Comicmike. Writer

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    Yeah, that's what I said.
    Then I burnt a puppy alive, and grew long green claws, and wrung my hands Mister Burns style.
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  29. Demiurge

    Demiurge Goodbye and Hello, as always.

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    You also were proven factually wrong about bullshit you posted about her and then said fuck her.

    So you'll excuse me if I take your saintly intentions with a grain of salt. LOL.
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    Breaking news from Canada:

    High school student suspended, arrested for saying only 2 genders

    This is fucking nuts, regardless of one's views.

    Absolutely fucking nuts.

    This is how you completely derail any progress (no matter how little) in the advancement of trans rights.

    What the fuck kind of crazy world are we creating? :wtf:
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