"Biology is real!!"

Discussion in 'The Red Room' started by Diacanu, Feb 9, 2023.

  1. Bickendan

    Bickendan Custom Title Administrator Faceless Mook Writer

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    It's just a bonus, right?
    :diacanu:

    FTR, I have no opinion on the game itself. I like HP well enough that I have the books and films (fuck Cursed Child though), and the game should stand on its own from JK Rowling at this point.
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  2. Ten Lubak

    Ten Lubak Salty Dog

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    If you’re playing it because you’re interested in it and it’s fun that’s fine

    If you’re playing it to hurt someone’s feelings it makes you pathetic and a cunt
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  3. Tererune

    Tererune Troll princess and Magical Girl

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    If you like HP, that does not mean you like JK Rowling's sick twisted hatred of trans people. I actually even agree trans women cannot replace cis women, nor should they be used as a substitute for the rights and equality of cis women. That is correct, but that does not mean we have to eliminate trans people and their medical treatment as JK rowling believes.

    In the end that is all separate from the HP IP which lots of people love, and I think it is about time that such a IP was put into the video game format for the fans.

    Yes, make a video game based on a popular IP that people want to play, but leave medicine to the patient and the doctor and mot Matt Rowling Walsh.

    Asa for JK, it is lovely such a rape hater is now on the side of people like Matt Walsh who feel her purpose in the universe is to be his cum dumpster and baby incubator. If you were really on the side of people and their right to chose what happens to their bodies, you might want to check yourself when Matt Walsh, Jordan Peterson, Donald Trump, and Ron Desantis are standing next to you. I would just think that people who hate a woman's right to her body would be abhorent to a person who does not like rape, and supports a woman's right to chose. Especially when you are demonizing trans activists who have always been the supporters of a woman's right to chose what happens to her body, who she has sex with, and he rights to work and get equal pay. When JK supports the right I feel like she is more trying to punish women who have not been raped because of her mental issues.
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  4. Tererune

    Tererune Troll princess and Magical Girl

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    I have always loved wearing frilly dresses for me, but I do enjoy the meltdown FF and dumiurge have over things like that.
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  5. matthunter

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  6. Ten Lubak

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    It’s funny that you bring Tererun up. You (rightfully) smack all the proven racists on this board all the time and won’t give them the time of day yet with Tererun, who’s used the words nigger and spic so much here it would make Muad blush (and it’s easily searchable) you chum and laugh around with to no end

    Wonder why that is :chris:
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  7. Demiurge

    Demiurge Goodbye and Hello, as always.

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    Right. Because basic decency doesn't undersrtand the difference between 'she's against rape' and 'she's been the victim of rape.' What do they call that? Oh, right, a survivor.

    Put your ideology aside once in a while and THINK. If you are still capable.

    Because you trying to play off a rape victim as no big thing stinks to high heaven.
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  8. Tererune

    Tererune Troll princess and Magical Girl

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    You are just angry because I won't give you the secrets to my power and you have wanted everyone to hate me for it. It is not like @Diacanu is so pro-me. It is also not like you were ever going to be nice to him if he hated me.

    Get some pills for your TDS or get bag to tldr repping me my little pet.
  9. Ten Lubak

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    Shut up, racist :)
  10. Tererune

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    Yeah, that should work.
  11. Tererune

    Tererune Troll princess and Magical Girl

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    There seems to be a missperception about JK people are ignoring regarding her supposed support for the homosexual community.

    JK teased homosexual characters and never confirmed them until her movies and books had run their course. She never was brave enough to making a gay character cannon and face any backlash until after most people had seen and read the books, then when the profit was made she dropped the news dumbledor was gay in order to get some more free publicity and support for her books when they were naturally falling off due to saturation.

    That is not being a gay activist and facing the consequences. That was exploiting a fad and community for profit.

    From what I have seen the HP game has at least one trans NPC shopkeeper. That would be a cannon presence from the start, and some inclusivity. That takes the risk of transphobic backlash over inclusion directly on the game's opening. Yes, it could have been a more visible and important character, but it is not actually teasing the presence and then 10 years down the line confirming it to get people to play the game.
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    I thought you were vaguely in favour of mens rights and against misandry? Because that's what Rowling's particular brand of transphobia is, it's misandry so rabid that it mistrusts anyone that was ever identified as male at any time, anyone that's ever owned anything resembling a penis is branded a dangerous predator for life and must be excluded if "real" women are to feel safe. But weirdly the sorts of guys that will unironically say "not all men" will turn around and agree "sure, all trannies" without a trace of irony. :shrug:

    Good thing trans women can't possibly be raped though, so they'd never, ever need the sorts of services she'd deny them. :brood:
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  13. Spaceturkey

    Spaceturkey i can see my house

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    for most of us, that'd be enough.

    yet here you are already getting the expansion packs
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  14. Nova

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    I could point you to Parker Molloy but while being relatively high profile she rejects the charge of being an activist. She's said all along that if someone produces evidence that trans participation is routinely negatively impacting women's sports there should be policies which mitigate that.

    A view which I concur with.

    The claim isn't that no such evidence CAN exist, just that it's not been presented. The arguments are always based on theoretical potential harm based on differences in physicality (and these arguments are almost always offered by people who ALSO oppose the use of puberty blockers which would entirely settle the sports issue in years to come which tells us that their SUPPOSED concern about fairness in sports isn't sincere). Another reason to question their sincerity is that such competition was going on for a full decade (officially) before they suddenly decided it was a crisis only after the "OMG! Men in the ladies rooms!" panic fell flat.

    But anyway, the simple defense is not "you're wrong about bone structure or lung capacity or whatever theoretical advantage you theorize will create an advantage" - I actually find that hypothesis pretty compelling.

    The counter argument is much simpler: So why isn't it actually happening as theorized? Examples like Lia Thomas - who, for the record, now posts dramatically worse outcomes than she did before HRT - are dramatic outliers from the typical outcome. I/we argue it's a bad idea to make policy based on outliers. Because a trans college student won a championship for the first time ever at that level an 11 year old cross country runner in WV can't compete, and a Kentucky girl who literally founded her schools' field hockey team and has the unanimous support of her peers can't play anymore. THAT'S what zealots do.
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    Nova livin on the edge of the ledge Writer

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    This right here.

    The psychosis of the TERF is that no matter how innocent they tell themselves their concerns are on the front end (women's shelters, for example) the longer you wade in the pond the more likely you are to eventually find yourself standing with Matt Walsh and the Proud Boys.

    Much like vax "skeptics" something about "just asking questions" turns into "deeply concerned" turns into obsessive zealotry.
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  16. Nova

    Nova livin on the edge of the ledge Writer

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    Be careful of sources.

    Even legacy outlets are laced through with anti-trans garbage, particularly but not exclusively opinion writers who write about things like this AS IF they are journalists when actually they are just scrubbing the respectability of shit that came out of the right wing fever swamp by adopting their frame, whole and without question, and publishing it in the NYT or The Atlantic.

    I don't know this particular writer but I recognize the form.

    For example the trans woman showering in a CA YMCA who was reported by a 17 year old girl as a "man in the women's showers" and the right wing press, and by extension regular media who adopted their frame without investigation, reported the girl had "seen a penis"...
    which is a neat trick since the woman had gone through GRS a decade ago.

    Don't just assume that because someone wrote it up in the legacy press it MUST have happened exactly as described. More often than not, it didn't.
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  17. Tererune

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    Again I have some arguments on both sides of the participation in sports. There is a difference between sports and playing a game for recreational competition. The purpose of high school should be to play games for competition. If a high school student wants to enter a competition, then that regulatory agency should make their fairness decisions for their members. For high school and college electorate gym classes it should be about playing the game, and we should look more at the fun of playing with peers over having to win. I am not saying winning should not be a part of it, but this is about participation and having fun. This idea that we should drive competition in our schools is toxic. We can have private clubs for that outside of high school.

    At this point I do not really care if trans women cannot participate in pro-regulated leagues with women. What I do want is for them to be able to play games in high school with their peers if they are genderized games. The social inclusiveness to allowing trans girls and boys to play with their gender not only helps the trans kids to enjoy more of life, but also allows their peers to understand they are not evil.

    I will admit that my arguments with people around here like @Demiurge have softened my view on professional competition needing some sort of limits to keep out unfair advantages. Sort of like how the guy who had artificial legs had to be removed from competing with people with real legs because he did not weaken like they did, and he might be able to tweak his metal legs beyond the capabilities of flesh and blood legs. If trans women do have an advantage, then that should be honestly studied, and they can chose other paths while still participating in recreational competitions, or less restricted competitions. But that is in pro-status, and school participation should be pulled out of that status because it is overly toxic in a lot more ways.
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    Tererune Troll princess and Magical Girl

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    This is my problem with the TERF hate of the trans community. I am a feminist. My desire to connect with women as a woman has shown me how horrible women are treated, and connected me emotionally with the problems of sexism. I have given up on passing and being female because from the very beginning of coming out I have wanted to punch people in the face for treating me like they treat women. I started kicking friends out of my life because they treated women like shit and I never noticed it.

    Then to run away from people who want to be proud strong women, and feel that being female is superior for them, and go side with the Matt Walsh assholes, rapey dudes, and anti-women's health sexists over trans women is as bad as religious women turning on feminism because they do not want other women having a choice.

    But I cannot bring myself to go full out on the TERFs because I have seen the damage of sexism and the sexist abuses. It is the same way I understand a black person that hates whites over all. JK is being used like a candace owens or Kanye west. But if I am going to take something out, it is not them. It is the people behind them. However, if they come after trans medicine they get fought against in a foccussed way that is different from people like @Demiurge who hide behind them and pretend they are not bigots because they have a token.
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    Tererune Troll princess and Magical Girl

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    I like how the right is trying to portray the horrors of making a mistake with HRT or surgeries. They bring out some confused bitch to say she cut her tits off and it was a mistake. I am fed up with the one or two people they parade around to fight against the millions who would benefit positively by making this decision. For the one or two assholes they find, I am one of those people that stopped transitioning and suffered permanent effects on my sperm production and body from HRT. I stopped because I realized at my age I cannot reverse the effects on my body. I would love to testify how it might be different had I been younger and how I would have been happier sooner had I been allowed to transition in school. Timing makes a difference.

    I would also love to testify about how these people who regret what they do are more often cis women who have been treated like shit and blame their gender for the pains of their abuses. The fact you do not like the shitty way the world treats women doesn't make you gender dysphoric. It makes you human. I do not feel I am female because I like the way the world treats women. At this point I do not want to be shit on because I pass. That is a problem with the world that does not get fixed by SRS. It might even be the cause of some suicides from people who completed transitioning.

    The right does not want to discuss these realities. They want to blame being trans for this shit. I am sure there are people on the left who are selling changing genders as some solution to a person's unhappiness. It doesn't fix the world. The reality is people like @Demiurge , JK Rowling, TERFs, Ron Desantis, the republicans, and all the people who really hate trans people, but pretend they are so caring, need to get the fuck out of the room. Then we can shush the overzealous allies away and have a real conversation about what the individual wants and is having trouble with. For the right wing assholes, if we did not have to waste so much time on you, we could pay more attention to the poor confused ones before they make a mistake and give them better options. We are the ones who want to do that, and you are the ones who want to hurt them because you are sadistic perverts.