Apparently there's now a deal on the table that has been agreed between the EU and UK negotiators. It has yet to pass any sort of scrutiny by Teresa May's various constituencies however, and there continue to be rumblings of discontent from all quarters. These tweets by Robert Peston sum it up quite well.
I am still hoping for no deal as the current EU position is absurd and completely detached from reality. Fuck them.
There a more than 40 MPs from her own party who have said they will vote against it and rightly so as it is a shit show. Just the backstop alone is reason to not vote for it as it makes any future agreement changes impossible. The soon this turd of a proposal is flushed down the toilet the better.
No. That was just nonsense ANC spewed to make himself feel better. It remains utter nonsense and lies from someone who was too lazy to come up with arguments to support his position. Here is the reality: The EU is going to have to change pretty radically and cut back on its protectionism including regulatory protections or it is going to find itself cut out of world markets. Yet the EU is going the other direction and that way lays economic ruin. They will eventually be forced to comply even if they do not like it.
Congradulations, Rick. The only one you have on your side is El Poop.The human shit stain. The man no reasonable human likes. The only person more autistic than Dayton.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/dup-kingmakers-threaten-pull-support-britains-may-083223257.html I am very happy to see people saying no to the EU’s slave deal.
I am not lionizing them. I am sayong they have the right position on this topic. The EU is trying to break up the UK and formalize the threat to do so in a treaty. That should be absolutely unacceptable qnd the only appropriate response is to simply walk out because you are dealing with an enemy not an ally.
We already did that when we hived off NI from the rest of it. Since SI is still an EU member, the EU has every right to ensure that it is not affected by trade issues caused by NI's decision (as part of the UK) to leave the Customs Union. Don't hold the EU accountable for a mess we created.
WTF is the EU supposed to do to solve this mess? Force the Republic of Ireland to effectively leave the EU to make things more convenient for a soon to be non-member?
The UK are the ones who signed an agreement to have an open border with Ireland along with then wanting to cut away from the EU as a whole unit. That there is no good way of achieving both those things simultaneously isn't the EU's fault.
The EU is the one bring up outside issues and claims it is impossible to reach a trade deal without effectivepy breaking up the UK. That is not a serious or honest position, at all, so it is definitely time to simply walk away.
An example of how to deal with that: "Oh, well, reality interfered, to bad so sad, see you because we are walking away." Then simply let reality sink in.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thesun.co.uk/news/7475209/brexit-talks-hit-wall-customs-union/amp/ It is very clear tye EU is still playing imperialist games and is not serious about negotiating so a simple no deal and walking away is now the best option. The EU wants to lock the UK into a perpetual vassal state until any future deal is reached but that removes any and all incentive for the EU to ever agree to a decent deal. They are not serious so just say no and walk. It is hard brexit time and the EU has made this unavoidable. It is also exclusively tye EU's fault if good frifay hecomes irrelevant as it is the EU who killed it when it decided to be a bad faith acter.
How the hell is the border between the EU and the UK an outside issue for a deal about how to reintroduce the borders between the EU and the UK?! Anyone who says there is a simple solution to the problem needs to name at least one.
The UK has decided to leave the EU. I don't see a solution that will make everyone happy in regards to Ireland, so would be grateful to see yours. Reminder it has to meet the following criteria: 1. Cannot involve extra checks or political borders between Ireland and the rest of the EU. 2. Cannot involve border checks between Ireland and Northern Ireland. 3. Cannot involve any kind of customs checks between Northern Ireland and the rest of the UK. Look forward to hearing your solution!
Dinner thinks "simply walk away and let reality sink in" is the answer. Walking Dead analogy, this is the guy who whittles the sticks into spears threatening to throw himself into a pit full of Walkers and then expecting the rest of the town will risk death to save him because they couldn't possibly find a spearmaker anywhere else ohnononono.
Note that "just walk away" STILL doesn't tell us what is supposed to happen to the border in that case, since the UK has also said that a hard border between the two Irelands is unacceptable.
He is one, walk away. The EU needs to stop playing games. The only issue is between the UK as a whole and the EU as a whole and any attempt to play divid and conquer needs to be responded to simply by walking away. No deal is obviously the best deal at this point as the EU is still trying to make the UK a vassal and that is utterly unacceptable. Anything which does not leave the UK completely independent is a nonstarter.
As already requested, please share what you think is a reasonable deal that meets the requirements laid out in my last post.
I personally think the good Friday accords are outdated and the EU has made it impossible to comply. The highest duty of a government is to carry out the will of the people so that means leaving the EU. Good Friday will have to be either amended or invalidated as the EU is making it impossible to be kept. That is the way the cookie crumbles. If the EU really gave a shit, which it obviously does not, it would make an exception for the entire UK and simply sign a free trade deal.
And you keep referring to me being in fantasy land.... This isn't going to happen and we are going to see a return to hostilities in NI unless there's a paradigm shift in the negotiations. That's not going to happen under May, it may not happen under Corbyn either to be honest, but the fundamental question here is Brexit itself. The highest duty of government is to do the best for the people, not necessarily to do their will regardless of the consequences, but if that were the case why not a second referendum?
What free trade deal? And what would that deal say about the Irish border? Also it would be helpful if you could add how an open border to the Republic of Ireland fulfills the Brexiters' goal of keeping the UK safe from any of the persons moving freely through the EU.
Naw, I will bet you $100 we do not see a return to hostilities as that time is over and passed. If the EU actually cared it could do something about it but it refuses so why should anyone else give a shit if neither the EU or the Irish government give a shit? It is a nonissue which they do not care about beyond using it as a bargaining chip so it is well past time to simply tell them that chip doesn't get them anything. At all.
That's how it certainly sounds to me as well, yet it's like pulling teeth to get Dinner to articulate which one he thinks should give.
