Brexit LOLOLOL

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  1. matthunter

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    Nothing stops a French person taking advantage. A piece of chocolate bread, a cigarette, or a glass of wine may distract them temporarily but eventually someone is getting l'amour in une orifice or the outre.
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  2. Dinner

    Dinner 2012 & 2014 Master Prognosticator

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    Do you try to be stupid or does it just come naturally to you? Not a word of that is true or relates to what I said. I am begining to suspect you really do have cognative impairment.

    You do realize the issue the EU is bring up is outside tariffs and how they relate to the Irish border, right? Yes, exempting that EU tariff at the Irish border would indeed solve tge problem. Hell, I am not even going to break it down for you because if you are too stupid to figure it out on your own then you deserve to remain in the dark.
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  3. Dinner

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    Being a member of the EU there would already be internal free trade with France. We are simply talking about waving the external EU tariff at the Irish border.

    That doesn't mean Ireland leaving the EU as that dullard Anc wrongly thinks, and it would have no effect upon trade between EU member states (including Ireland), and would just wave the tariff's the EU imposes as long as the trade is across the Irish border. That really is something the EU could do unilaterally on its own if it wanted to do so but everyone already knows how little reguard the EU has for Ireland. We saw that when Ireland voted down the EU constitution and the EU ignored them (despite what said constitution said about ratification) and simply forced Ireland to keep voting until it got the result the EU wanted.

    So, anyway, we will keep hearing Barnier falsely claim he is just so concerned about this issue that he is unable to advance any discussions about free trade with the UK, because that is the goal Junckers has demanded, he wants to disrupt trade to "punish" the UK to discourage anyone else voting to leave but ultimately it won't work nor will it discourage other nations who want free from tge EU's lack of democratic accountability. The proper course of action is to simply ignore his fake crocodile tears and let the economic damage to the EU mount until new leadership comes in and is forced to admit free trade really is a good thing and the EU cannot blackmail anyone.
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  4. Ancalagon

    Ancalagon Scalawag Administrator Formerly Important

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    Fuck. I don't know why I even bother. You clearly have no idea what the difference between a FTA and a CU is.

    But okay, one last chance before I ignore your innane ramblings. Please explain how one country inside a Customs Union can have divergent tariffs than the rest of the CU. Please give an example.
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    Ancalagon Scalawag Administrator Formerly Important

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    Hey dumbfuck, what's to stop a country from coming to a trade deal with the UK with more favorable terms than than the EU, importing into NI and then just driving across the border and then shipping into the rest of the EU?
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    It's outrageous to imply that big companies would ever take advantages of loopholes and legal manoeuvres involving Ireland to lower their tax bills. :bailey:
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  7. RickDeckard

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    Yes, but it amounts to a free trade agreement between the entire EU (not just Ireland) and the UK.
    Which would be a great outcome, but only works if all sorts of standards are agreed. The EU isn't going to let the UK reduce, say, food safety safeguards, and then allow them to ship substandard food in.

    This is why the EU has the common market. Why am I rapidly coming to the conclusion that some of you don't understand what that (or the customs union) is?
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  8. Ebeneezer Goode

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    The EU is being a little bit naughty on this, we already have a pre-existing non-hard border between Sweden and Norway as proof it can be done. Boris was, for once, undeserving of the brickbats for his suggestion and it was nice to see a UK government member actually be vaguely knowledgeable about technology.

    The principle exists, so the EU is playing politics before cooking up the usual fudge.
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    No, you're talking about several different things at once and conflating them all. If you waive tariffs at the Irish border, then every external entity in the world is going to want to trade across the Irish border, even if they're trading with France or Germany or Italy.
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  10. Dinner

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    I love how Ancalagon runs his mouth yet clearly has no idea what other people said thus leading him to make stupid and uninformed comments. I also love how he just heard a term yesterday and he automatically thinks everyone else is as ignorant as he is even though many of us have participated in numerous threads on those subjects over the decades. Oh, well, same as it ever was and you can't fix stupid.
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    Why have I come to the conclusion that the entire European Union, at its most basic, is a way for a bunch of increasingly irrelevant European nations to pretend they are still major world players?
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    Because you're stupid?
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    Bailey It's always Christmas Eve Super Moderator

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    Lol at someone from Arkansas trying to drop sass about irrelevant places.
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    For similar reasons to those that explain your views on history, science, and religion: bad sources, read without comprehension.
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  15. Dinner

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    https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/926319/Brexit-news-Theresa-May-speech-European-Union-EU-UK

    Not surprisingly May is say largely what I already posted and which the usual dullards neg repped. If the EU puts up a border then that is their decision not the UK's. Lying and pretending some how everything is the UK's fault is a nonstarter.

    Sadly, the EU commission seems hell bent on creating a border and that is all down to their arrogant and delusion unelected leadership.
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    In a no deal situation where the UK has said it wants to leave the customs union and doesn't work out a replacement deal that's entirely on the UK.
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  17. RickDeckard

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    The UK government appear to have capitulated in almost all areas of today's transition deal. Apparently that has been to protect the City of London financiers. In particular, we're looking at the prospect of a border in the Irish Sea.

    Thus we see who's really in charge.

    The politics of how May sneaks this past the Tory right and the DUP will still be interesting.
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  18. Ancalagon

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    What are the odds the come '21 the UK is still, at minimum, still in the CU?
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    Anyone taking bets at this time is nuts, frankly.
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  20. Ebeneezer Goode

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    I don't think even May is that stupid.
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    I don't think it's quite as bad as that. My take

    Fishing - big loss for the UK
    Being able to make trade deals in the transition and retain existing EU ones - big win for the UK
    EU citizens rights being the same during transition as previous - realistically, the EU was never not going to get this, so it's only a big loss if the government wasn't posturing
    Gibraltar included in the text - big win for the UK
    Irish border backstop - certainly not a win for the UK, but only a big loss if the backstop happens. This is going to be very interesting to watch.
    "Punishment" clause disappearing - probably the mirror of the transitional rights, a low hanging fruit designed to be traded, so not a win/loss for either side

    It's mostly a compromise, with the lack of fishing control weighing it towards the EU. Personally, I suspect that was the price for getting Spain to agree to having Gibraltar in the text, as to whether they'll welch on that...

    I'm starting to think they need to end each phase of talks with the end credits of Terrahawks to show who 'won' that round.
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    I have zero faith the EU will be honest with anything. They will lie, they will cheat, and they will steal and be completely dishonest "Northern Ireland Backstop" will be their prefered vehicle to do this with.

    Further more, I predict the EU shit stains will slash the UK fishing quota and declare most of the UK fishing flight to be unneeded surplus so that other EU based fishing ships are free to pillage UK waters.
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  23. Ancalagon

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    Gee, Barnier making more threats the EU can't financially back up.
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    I suspect that'll change. Internal pressure would push towards a No Deal in that instance.

    If May has any brains, she'll have someone going into No 10 with a made-up document implying that, and also displaying some very large tariffs on German and Dutch imports in such an eventuality. Should focus minds wonderfully.
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  26. Ancalagon

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    Sounds like May's team won't be too upset if they lose next week's Customs Union vote.

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/...ay-may-surrender-over-customs-union-lr7qkhslv
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    Genuinely, without hyperbole, if they go down that route it's an act of economic treason.

    Brexit offers a load of pitfalls and opportunities, remaining in the CU permanently whilst existing the EU just has pitfalls.

    More to the point, it removes the opportunity for the UK to try and make up for its part in the EU's borderline-racist acts of economic colonialism towards Africa, which would be a massive shame.
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  28. Ancalagon

    Ancalagon Scalawag Administrator Formerly Important

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    Sorry bud, a vote's a vote. No matter how bad the Brexit deal ends up being for the UK, it can't be stopped. Can't even have a vote on said deal.

    Or so some Very Serious People have told me.
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    honestly, looking in from the outside, the matter of the EU aside a continued division of Ireland doesn't seem sensible anyway. I mean, I'm not well versed on the various things the Irish have been shooting at each other over in the past or ow much of the British stake is vestige colonialism rather than a legitimate claim but...it just seems "wrong" on an emotional basis for the division to continue in the 21st century
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    Well, I have that exact same opinion about the majority of people who voted for Trump and it's entirely justified because none of the bullshit that has followed his taking office was anything other than VERY predictable.

    So whether or not Brexit was or was not a good choice, there are often times when "people(voters) are dumb" is not sneering arrogance but a perfectly reasonable dispassionate observation.
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