There are universes where your post might be seen as erudite and cogent. Then there's this one when we remember how much of a cunt you are and that you probably just C/P'd this, or if you didn't it just proves you can make the same sort of arguments a secondary school debate club could.
Simply not true. This is what you might call a "Trumpism", that is a fake, twisted so-called "fact" that is easily checked out and is not true. Peace has existed in western Europe since the end of the Second World War, and the initial form of the European Union, put in place by the treaty of Rome, dates to 1957. The Soviet Union had no nuclear weapons at all when the current period of peace began, the United States knew how to build them but didn't have any (having used one of its three as a test and the other two to convince Japan to surrender). Even at the time of the treaty of Rome, the Soviet Union didn't have anything even close to "thousands" of them. You are not very knowledgeable about history, so you probably ought to check your facts before you display the limits of your knowledge to everyone.
I hear education can prevent people sounding like you do. Assuming a certain degree of cognitive function, naturally.
German and Japanese cultural shame over the war is probably the most dominant factor (moreso the former) over nukes. Naturally, shame is incomprehensible to some in the US. And the UK, hence why we left the EU. The ability to work with and harmonize with others doesn't make us weaker.
The potential armies in your war scenario were kids during that immediate fifteen years following '45 before the nuke build up, thought that was pretty obvious (just as Israel wasn't formed in 1945, you could've hit me with that one too). You can pedantically (and accurately) call out the imprecision of my words - that's a tactic quite common among those unwilling or unable to refute or converse about the substance of the argument. I could've cited my dad's "magic rock" that was unearthed in mid 40s and during the entire period it remained unearthed the Continent did not experience another war. [a lot like Lisa's magic rock.] And I could've identified the many dead spies and counter agents during a protracted cold war, refuting spot's claim that there's been no "war" in euroland since 1945, if I was simply a loser set on some vague point-scoring, instead of a person arguing the substance of content. Reminds me of your argument when I called Switzerland homogeneous, to pedantically explain the three regions and languages etc (didn't bother to tell you at the time I worked for a swiss bank and frequently travelled to both Geneva and Zurich). And don't call me Trumpian, he's far more successful and accomplished than I ever aspire to be.
Ok, attacking the substance of the argument, why is it that MAD was so conveniently specific in it's pacifying influence? Why did it so precisely delineate between EU member states (who have seen peace) and their immediate neighbours who have not? Sorry to be picky here but your argument doesn't hold up well at all when the larger picture and/or parsimony are taken into account. Also, why the focus on Germany as potential aggressor? We've had centuries of warfare between those nations and Germany is prominent merely because of the scale of the last two major conflicts, not because they have an outstandingly aggressive track record.
It wasn't being a member in the trade deal that kept UK and EU from war, imo (that wouldn't account for the first 55 or so years of peace is an argument I'd make if I wanted to be Async-level pedantic). Most countries not having much of an army had much more to do with it. [Even Greece and Turkey, which possess plenty of both army and hate, haven't found a way to war - that is, if we ignore the Gas Wars currently playing out.]
^ "We are now our own country again and the the Queens English is the spoken tongue here." LOL. Two errors in one sentence of "The Queen's English" from someone trying to show their superiority through language!
Part of me thinks that sort of thing is just trolls, but either way it's spreading fear among those who see it, so fuck them. Side note, I note the irony that most of those US posters saying the UK will be better off outside the Union are the sort who think the South could secede and not slide into irrelevance. Well, further into irrelevance.
I was free before, you old cuntwaffle. Slightly less free today. Can't travel to or work in Europe as easily. Can still call you a cuntwaffle though. So there's that.
Yeah. It is hard to draw too direct a comparison, but it's like a state such as New England leaving the Union because people think too many people from Arkansas are moving there.
Ah, I thought it was. After looking it up it actually works better then as an analogy, a region comprising multiple states is more comparable to Great Britain.
Several of the world's most powerful militaries are amongst those nations? Don't think I'm following your logic here.
^You attributed peace on the Continent to UK being a member of the EU trade pact. I countered by claiming it's more likely you had peace because none of you have large armies (and war is hard w/o armies). And then made passing reference to the peaceful interregnum before UK joined the current version of the EU (early 90s, over 45 years after end of WWII, unless you count EU-lite, the EEC in which case only 30 years after).
I think you're missing Tuttle's main point. Though it could have been worded better. Europe was devastated after the war. No one was in a position to fight a new war except America and the Soviet Union. After the war things very quickly turned into the Cold War and the only thing holding the USSR from walking all the way to the Atlantic was America. Had America immediately left Western Europe at the end of WWII no other country could have stopped the USSR if they had decided to "liberate" Western Europe from the clutches of capitalism. No country was in a position to stop that Communist juggernaut except America. Peace in Europe these last decades came down to America and Russia getting all the European countries in line with NATO and the Warsaw Pact, then squaring off against each other but never pulling the trigger to fight each other. (Thank God for that)
But that's just not true. There continued to be plenty of war on the continent, just not within the EU.
