Can Kids Consent to Hormone Blockers?

Yea. posting on an internet message board is exactly what grown adults with careers and mortgages and hi blood pressure do.

Get a sense of humor.

Anyway!
The nays lost the poll vote.
You're legally horrible people.

Good point, past-me.
Figures the propaganda zombies ignored it.

Ah yes, but you forget that the same people that refuse to give a fuck about kids getting torn to pieces during mass shootings or committing suicide for any reason are deeply concerned about the potential effects of puberty blockers on minors bone density.

So @Jenee is self aware of her status as UA's punching bag?

I am not sure that is the own she wishes it was, but sure tell us all about how great it is to be UA's hand magnet.

Like you have been saying they do it from an anonymous position behind their computer screen. Not that I want them doxxing themselves as totally looked stupid when Dayton the tough guy did it, but really this is a coward move meant to try and taunt people into doxxing so they can report others and try to get them banned. This was stupid whenh dayton pulled it, and is even stupider when Jenee and UA threaten everyone because they are going to kick ass.

Morons, we have seen your pictures. The only ass you kick is a dozen crispy cremes with your trump physique.

Actually, this is because Spironolactone has a use for precocious puberty where a child enters puberty too soon. So it is actually safe to give to children before puberty to delay effects without harming the child's future reproductive and general health. The fact that it will stop the onset of puberty in trans children is just an alternate use as one of it's main uses is for cis children.

Here is a description of some of the conditions it treats in adults:

Spironolactone is used to treat certain patients with hyperaldosteronism (the body produces too much aldosterone, a naturally occurring hormone); low potassium levels; heart failure; and in patients with edema (fluid retention) caused by various conditions, including liver, or kidney disease. It is also used alone or with other medications to treat high blood pressure. Spironolactone is in a class of medications called aldosterone receptor antagonists. It causes the kidneys to eliminate unneeded water and sodium from the body into the urine but reduces the loss of potassium from the body.


When yopu see the conditions it treats it has to not cause other stresses because a person suffering from kidney, liver, and heart failure you cannot throw a drug into the system that is going to cause other damage. Your liver processes things, and your kidneys filter things. If they are failing you cannot throw heavy drugs into the system, but yet this drug is safely prescribed to people suffering these organ failiures, and is considered for use in children below 8 because it is too early for their bodies to be dealing with puberty hormones on those levels.

This is a drug that is safer than OTC cough medicines and pain relievers for children and adults. You do not give an adult with liver and kidney failure cold medicine.

It is such a lie that this drug, which is the puberty blocker AL and harley dumbass are talking about, is harmful to children, and will cause dangerous permanent damage to the body.

Prediction: It'll be all tea and crumpets, with the most civilized, friendly discussion amongst fast friends...

Then, once back on WF, sniping and keyboard smacktalk.

Like Kirk to Garamet.

Transphobe bigots have basically one argument related to kids, when you boil it down it amounts to "Any minute now"

The will desist (whatever form of that is necessary to the current conversation "any minute now"
The only decent thing to do is wait....

Aaaaaaaany minute now.....

Which, uh, turns out doesn't matter.

https://karger.com/hrp/article-abst...ng-Hormone-Analogs-in?redirectedFrom=fulltext

Sorry, I can't link to the whole paper (can't even get it on Sci-Hub for some reason, but if anyone else can, by all means, read it and report back), but the abstract indicates findings that while puberty blockers slow the accrual of bone minerals, even if they're continued, the patients end up with insignificant differences in adult BMD, they just might take a bit longer to get there, regardless of whether or not calcium supplementation was given.

No doubt Federal Farmer will suddenly be very concerned with the negative effects of lower bone mineral density specifically during high school.

Bone mass being one of many physical advantages males have over females.

So you agree, puberty blockers should be prescribed for trans teens before they begin puberty? In the interests of fair sports and such.

I almost did a joke about a Republican picking through the goo of a machine gun riddled kid going "what was their bone mass!?!? What was their booooone maaaasss!!?? ".

But I thought "eh...too dark".

Now I regret it.
You always regret the things you don't do over the things you do do.

No, I agree that there were good, practical reasons why boys and girls don't typically compete in direct physical contests.

And you might want to reread Order2Chaos' post up there.

Ok, but people aren't talking about sports right now, they're responding to your claims about puberty delaying medication being unsafe or having consequences that aren't being looked at. With Order2Chaos helpfully providing info on a relevant study, can you give us your thoughts on it, or is your claim just based on your gut feeling?

Transgirls don't play on competitive girls sports teams unless they're taking hormone therapy and have been for some time*. We're not talking about hormone therapy, we're talking about puberty blockers. This is the nail in the coffin in the idea that they might have any irreversible side effects.

The actual relevant quote from the paper is (and, again, I don't have the rest of it to verify, sorry):

"(While) GnRHa treatment slows mineral accrual, after discontinuation BMD appears not to be significantly different from that of their peers by late adolescence. Reports of BMD among children an adolescents verified a decrement in BMD at the achievement of near AH, while accrual resumed after therapy, regardless of whether or not calcium supplementation was given. By late adolescence, all subjects had BD within the normal range."

*although given that most if not all of the divergence between male and female athletic ability happens in puberty, trans kids only on puberty blockers should pretty much always be at a physical disadvantage regardless of transition direction, so they probably should be able to play on either team, albeit at a disadvantage. I cannot, for a single moment, believe that you care about this being unfair to the trans kids.

So wait, if we do things on 'gut feelings', should I make decisions while taking gut-wrenching shits, sweating through the intestinal cramps? I mean, I'm sure I could forumlate some strong opinions in such instances.

Stop putting words in my mouth. I'm sure they are being considered. Just not acknowledged by dishonest people who want to pretend genders are interchangeable without compromises.

Ignoring the times that some dude fails utterly at mens sports, then declares himself a "girl" to start dominating on the female side. That would piss me off if I were female.

So, you're just going to keep thinking Joe Rogan's imagination is real no matter what anyone says, huh?

What’s imaginary about @Uncle Albert ’s statement and what does Joe Rogan have to do with it? Don’t forget to facepalm my post.

Fucking all of it.

This isn't happening.
Easy to "ignore" an imaginary thing.

Trans women aren't dominating.
Nova has pounded you idiots over the head with the stats that prove it.
Even if the insult-cartoon of a weak man pretending to be a strong girl was a thing, it's not fucking working.

UA doesn't give a shit about women, and he has empathy for no one.

He's the biggest banner boy for this anti-trans narrative in the so-called mainstream.
So much so, that South Park turned it into a fucking episode.

Boy, rep really gets under your skin, doesn't it?
Do you think that's going to make me do it more, or less?

Everything fucking pisses you off, for fuck's sake.

At least if you were female you'd have a whole new bunch of things to bitch about.

Nope. Never happens.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/31/sports/laurel-hubbard-trans-weight-lifting.html

554th as a man, breaking records as a "woman."
https://www.swimmingworldmagazine.c...imes-no-denying-the-advantages-of-lia-thomas/

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.news.com.au/sport/cycling/transgender-cyclist-wins-womens-race-days-after-champ-quits-in-anger/news-story/09b8ae74d5638d1e0bcd1985daa66a6b?amp

"BuT I dIsmIsS tHosE fOr aRbiTrarY rEasOnS! WhY dOn'T yOu acCePt mY aRbiTrAry reAsOnS?!?"

All minors too. Point. Uncle Albert.

Except you’re wrong, trans women do compete in women’s sports and some of them do dominate. You can’t say it never happens.

Relevant to the discussion.

https://bigthink.com/health/truth-about-transgender-womens-athletic-ability/

This idiocy does not even come close to applying to top level sports. First, you are talking about trans women who went through puberty and aged. Yes, you cannot reverse growth from puberty. You can grow more from stopping puberty blockers, but you cannot eliminate certain growth from puberty.

Second, you are not talking about the top of physical specimens. You are talking about average people who do not compete on top levels of sports. This does not prove trans women will dominate sports, which they are not doing. Assuming that some physical stat means you will be great in some sport is stupid. There are plenty of really tall guys who cannot play basketball worth a damn and would be wasted by a short dude. Under your dumbass idea just because you do not have the height you would never be a champion in basketball.

In the end this is piss poor logic that has not actually happened in reality at the most problematic point. As trans women undergo purberty blockers from a young age they will not develop permanent differences like they have when they waited until after those changes occurred. Even those who have done this are not capable of beating top end athletes because they were always in the middle average area. The reality is a female champion of most sports is going to blow away 90 percent of any male competitor.

You cannot use studies of average people to show that above average abilities would be effected.

Oh and do not trust me, read the fucking article you low intellect boob:

The whole article seems to focus on hormonal development and does not consider the effect of hormone blockers on children to stop the effects of puberty. The whole article does not even include top end athletes. The article only focusses on physical aspects and completely ignores talent and athletic training.

You are a fucking stupid liar.

Laurel Hubbard finished last.

Lia Thomas's so called record have been overblown.
https://www.outsports.com/trans/2022/1/6/22867761/lia-thomas-penn-swimming-trans-truth-myth

Tiffany Thomas.
All I can find is right-wing outrage, and "both sides tho!" from legacy media.

And this article digs into the "both sides tho!" and how legacy media got brainwashed by the right.
TLDR, it was children "concern", and TERF "concern".
https://www.vox.com/culture/23652475/trans-issues-in-the-media-healthcare-disinformation